Iran War now? Yea or nay?

[ghost55]

We already established in another thread that evil doesn't exist. So....

Ah yes. Bullshido threads: more powerful than philosophy.

[Diesel_tke]

Ah yes. Bullshido threads: more powerful than philosophy.

We are not too far off from Bullshido becoming it's own religion.

[goodlun]

You can help people and still be a shithead.

No doubt, but you used the word evil. Of course the question is what are you doing for people that had you feeling so morally superior?

[Dr. Gonzo]

You can help people and still be a shithead.

Of course, I never claimed otherwise.

[W. Rabbit]

Seriously, I'm trying to figure out in my head how you spot a short range radar system lock inside another country, outside that country's busiest airport. At low altitude.

Right now all I can come up with is magic Harry Potter goggles.

Help.

[ghost55]

Seriously, I'm trying to figure out in my head how you spot a short range radar system lock inside another country, outside that country's busiest airport. At low altitude.

Right now all I can come up with is magic Harry Potter goggles.

Help.

Frequency used for M1 SAM launchers is distinct from that used by ATC and civilian aircraft, and we have a ton of sensors aimed at every fucking airstrip in the country?

[Michael Tzadok]

Frequency used for M1 SAM launchers is distinct from that used by ATC and civilian aircraft, and we have a ton of sensors aimed at every fucking airstrip in the country?

So a few pages back you didnt know how the warhead on a TOR worked, and now you are an expert in its radar?

If we got all these sensors, radar and counter radar pointed at Iran, why did NORAD have to detect the missile launches at the bases?

Like seriously, we have in theater things that are worried about AA batteries, but not ballistic missiles. The Titanic had fewer holes in it than your theories.

[W. Rabbit]

Frequency used for M1 SAM launchers is distinct from that used by ATC and civilian aircraft, and we have a ton of sensors aimed at every fucking airstrip in the country?

Points for tryin'.

For fun, the SA-15 uses K band (microwave) and H band (infrared) for tracking.

And I'm positive that any SAM batteries outside Tehran track incoming and departing flights all the time. So if all the evidence is a radar lock, it's circumstantial.

Which reminds me, why would an Iranian AA battery think a target moving away from Tehran might be a threat?

Maybe there should be an actual investigation or something. This isn't CSI: Iran.

[goodlun]

I am literally an intermediate to expert on Satellite Communications, Radar and Sonar.
I had the same thought as Rabbit.
That this would be one hell of a SIGINT feat.
I don't rule it completely out, you could place some higher end SDRs inside of an intelligence asset in the area.
It is pretty easy to have passive antennas listening in on things.
HOWEVER that is highly unlikely, as you do have to develop other types of assets in order to install these sorts of things and the risk to reward for those assets isn't favorable at all.
When you think of RF you really have to think about the Inverse square law.
This is where math and physics start to really get in the way.
A lot of these systems are using small wavelength rf bands so that they get better resolution.
But you start to lose a lot of information really fast with them as well.
Especially with atmospheric attenuation.

[goodlun]

For fun, the SA-15 uses K band (microwave) and H band (infrared) for tracking.

Oh if we are talking K band, moisture in the air and other water molecules start to greatly attenuate it.
We even run into issues of Weather related Attenuation with Ka Band Sat comms.

[goodlun]

It shouldn't take a genius to figure out that I work with Ka, Ku, and C band RF quite a bit.

[W. Rabbit]

Even now, it's important to keep in mind this video does not clearly show what's being concluded. We are still working on a theory with no smoking gun but maybe some circumstantial video and intel.

A better video might make things clearer, but this is low quality, amateur stuff from miles away.

A missile? Maybe. An explosion, definitely.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/v...e-missile.html

[goodlun]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/v...e-missile.html

Do you have a non-paywall version?

[AprilRains]

This is a great jab

at Gonzo's posting style, so

I must call it out.

That, and a line of dialogue from the Canadian television comedy Bullet in the Face. That line appears in the show complete with lengthy pauses, and it was such a good match for the Doctor's posting style that I couldn't resist.

[Dung Beatles]

What motive would Iran have for picking a fight with the Ukraine when Europe is intent on sitting this one out?

Well, I'm not ruling out an incompetent idiot with too much firepower but revenge is a funny thing to a bigot. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a little bit of both. Too angry to see straight so someone didn't do his due diligence to confirm the target and as a result a lot of innocent people died.