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    #46
    Originally posted by goodlun View Post
    Not agitated at all, I just really though you where smart enough to understand the problem was a power vacuum and not a cultural problem.
    However apparently your just a dumb ass oh well.


    What exactly have I said that gives you the idea that I think it can be put in a bottle, it seems that I have mentioned the problems with occupation, but I am not so fucking dumb as to think that a population is better off just straight up fending for itself.
    Since that hasn't gone well ever during any time at all in history ever.

    Its cool though I also just want to watch the middle east burn so lets fucking do this thing, we can literally wipe the Iranians military, religious, and political leaders off the map some where between a week and a month, then disappear.
    Its fine, I am sure the humanitarian cost of that won't be staggering.

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      #47
      Originally posted by lant3rn View Post
      You leave the grid, water running and some food they’ll figure it out just fine.
      BAHABHABHAHHAAHHA
      Of the single rapier fight between valiant men, having both skill, he that is the best wrestler, or if neither of them can wrestle, the strongest man most commonly kills the other, or leaves him at his mercy.
      –George Silver, Paradoxes of Defence

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        #48
        Originally posted by goodlun View Post
        So you want to provide them with material support, training, and stability against others who also may hate their government but don't agree with the guys where like hey your now in charge?
        That is by most nations considered an act of war... Just saying.
        Don't rely on theory if your life is at stake.

        "But now that you've anointed him as truthsayer, you'll be complicit with what happens when the next Jew comes here and is lambasted by an ultrasecular Rabbi" -W.Rabbit/Pship/Emily Dickinson/Earth Dragon/Self Proclaimed Editor Extraordinaire

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          #49
          Originally posted by goodlun View Post
          Well just let China have it after we remove the government then they can take all the Iranian Oil they want that way.
          Your insights and hyperbole surrounding human history and world politics and logistics are astounding to a layman such as myself...

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            #50
            Originally posted by Dung Beatles View Post
            I'd trust Santa Ana's wooden leg over Trump. This escalation appears reckless and perfectly designed to draw the US into inevitable war with Iran.
            Please define escalation.

            Iran has been IRGC, specifically the Quds force, has been setting up their own military bases in Syria and Iraq and attacking the US, Iraq, and Israel from them for years now. So I'm having a hard time with this "escalation" thing. A US embassy is attacked by Quds, which is an internationally recognized casus belli and jus ad bellum, and has been for hundreds of years. Now you claim the US is escalating by attacking an illegally occupying force(the Iranians have no right to be in Iraq) that carried out said attack? I'm not seeing the escalation on the US side. To me it seems like a very moderate response to an internationally recognized act of war.
            Don't rely on theory if your life is at stake.

            "But now that you've anointed him as truthsayer, you'll be complicit with what happens when the next Jew comes here and is lambasted by an ultrasecular Rabbi" -W.Rabbit/Pship/Emily Dickinson/Earth Dragon/Self Proclaimed Editor Extraordinaire

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              #51
              Originally posted by lant3rn View Post
              Afghanistan and Iran do not share the same history, culture or people... you both need to stop being ignorant about that.

              You and goodlun think all brown people are the same or something?
              Of course not. I happen to like Iranian people very much. Like Russians and the other non-Russian Slavs. Great people, terrible governments.
              "Pave the way for the little guy, Caligula!" Harry Solomon, September 28, 1999

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                #52
                Originally posted by goodlun View Post
                Another Proxy war where Russian arms are proven to be total shit compared to whats advertised?
                No, I mean as a matter of regional and global hegemony.
                "Pave the way for the little guy, Caligula!" Harry Solomon, September 28, 1999

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by goodlun View Post
                  Show me One single power vacuum in all of human history that hasn't lead to more violence, death, destruction, instability, and a civil war of some kind?
                  I have a much more Machiavelian take on this(it is also why I never want into politics). Personally I think it is long past time the US stop trying to do the nation building thing. It hasn't historically worked out well.

                  I think when a country like Iran wants to step on our crank we need to go in, lay waste, kill everyone responsible, and leave a note written in the blood of the slain saying, "Don't make us come back".
                  Don't rely on theory if your life is at stake.

                  "But now that you've anointed him as truthsayer, you'll be complicit with what happens when the next Jew comes here and is lambasted by an ultrasecular Rabbi" -W.Rabbit/Pship/Emily Dickinson/Earth Dragon/Self Proclaimed Editor Extraordinaire

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
                    I have a much more Machiavelian take on this(it is also why I never want into politics). Personally I think it is long past time the US stop trying to do the nation building thing. It hasn't historically worked out well.

                    I think when a country like Iran wants to step on our crank we need to go in, lay waste, kill everyone responsible, and leave a note written in the blood of the slain saying, "Don't make us come back".
                    I don't think Machiavelli would have liked this plan.

                    Men ought either to be indulged or utterly destroyed, for if you merely offend them they take vengeance, but if you injure them greatly they are unable to retaliate, so that the injury done to a man ought to be such that vengeance cannot be feared.
                    What part of your plan leaves them unable to retaliate? Niccolo wrote his book in the 14th century IIRC. They weren't working with the same technology back then and just burning down some towns would do the job. In the modern era, you'd have to erase their government utterly.

                    You could kill the most visible leaders but remember, Adolph was mostly a nobody until well after the war. You'd have to get their true believers too.

                    Edit: that's an awful lot of killing.
                    "Pave the way for the little guy, Caligula!" Harry Solomon, September 28, 1999

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by Dung Beatles View Post
                      I don't think Machiavelli would have liked this plan.



                      What part of your plan leaves them unable to retaliate? Niccolo wrote his book in the 14th century IIRC. They weren't working with the same technology back then and just burning down some towns would do the job. In the modern era, you'd have to erase their government utterly.

                      You could kill the most visible leaders but remember, Adolph was mostly a nobody until well after the war. You'd have to get their true believers too.

                      Edit: that's an awful lot of killing.
                      The laying waste part. They wouldn't have military enough left to retaliate, at least not in terms of projection of power. First of all, I wouldn't get involved in all the pissing contests that the last 8 or so administrations have. In my opinion US military response should really be predicated on an act of war(like say Pearl Harbor or 9/11). Then go in, lay waste and like I said, make it very clear that we are more than willing to come back if necessity dictates, so leave us and our friends the F***k alone.

                      But hey, my favorite submission is also the knee on neck choke, favorite take down is a high-c lift... I'm just mean like that.
                      Don't rely on theory if your life is at stake.

                      "But now that you've anointed him as truthsayer, you'll be complicit with what happens when the next Jew comes here and is lambasted by an ultrasecular Rabbi" -W.Rabbit/Pship/Emily Dickinson/Earth Dragon/Self Proclaimed Editor Extraordinaire

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                        #56
                        I'm underwhelmed. For us to be at war with Iran either they would have to be capable of projecting decisive military force against us or we'd have to invade Iran.
                        Precluding that this is just a bad day for one of their upper management scum bags.

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by Mr. Machette View Post
                          I'm underwhelmed. For us to be at war with Iran either they would have to be capable of projecting decisive military force against us or we'd have to invade Iran.
                          Precluding that this is just a bad day for one of their upper management scum bags.
                          That’s why I think there will just be allot of smack talk until after the election .

                          If somebody weak gets in then they will start some shit to get their deal back .

                          If Trump gets back in who knows, maybe they even come back to the negotiating table because they know what Iraq and Libya is like now and that’s what will happen to them .
                          King without a crown

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by hungryjoe View Post
                            Then again, I don't see them detaining a couple of boats of Navy Seals, confiscating their equipment and posturing for the world while the Orange One is Commander in Chief.

                            Anyone remember that?
                            I remember that.

                            That was Iranian election year deliberate pissing on the US under Obama because they knew he would do nothing.

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by Mr. Machette View Post
                              I'm underwhelmed. For us to be at war with Iran either they would have to be capable of projecting decisive military force against us or we'd have to invade Iran.
                              Precluding that this is just a bad day for one of their upper management scum bags.
                              The response, and projection of force will most likely be against Israel. The Israel Minister of Defense has already raised the threat warning, ordered bomb shelters opened and publicly stated that we(Israel) are going to have to be willing to absorb heavy civilian casualties if Iran does decide to launch its threatened response.
                              Don't rely on theory if your life is at stake.

                              "But now that you've anointed him as truthsayer, you'll be complicit with what happens when the next Jew comes here and is lambasted by an ultrasecular Rabbi" -W.Rabbit/Pship/Emily Dickinson/Earth Dragon/Self Proclaimed Editor Extraordinaire

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by Dr. Gonzo View Post
                                I remember that.

                                That was Iranian election year deliberate pissing on the US under Obama because they knew he would do nothing.
                                He did plenty.

                                https://www.investors.com/politics/e...ran-terrorism/
                                Carter Hargrave's Jeet Can't Do

                                http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31636

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