Iran War now? Yea or nay?

[Bneterasedmynam]

Keep telling yourself that, if that is what you need to do to get through your day.

I don't really need to as long as you keep bringing it up as your fingerpoint argument.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Whatever you say, here's a door prize for you...

Right, the guy who knows nothing about it,

telling other people who do work in those environments,

that they should wear a tin foil hat.

That's Bnet style.

Like Gangnam style, but not cool, catchy, nor fun.

[goodlun]

Still defending your use of deep state??

Yes, and if you read the context of those statements about how un-elected government works its very clear what I am talking about.
Though I am not using it in an anti-government message more to the point that it doesn't matter who the president is because of the way the deep state actually works.
Here take the two programs that provide us funding NSF & ONR.
They both still fund Climate Change research, data collection, and other projects that help prove that its AWG.
Despite Donald Trumps dumbness on the subject.

I'm pointing out that most if not all made their money as blood money.

LOL no, most Billionaires have not made their Billions on Blood Money, some have sure, but "most" have not, you really can run down the list of them.
Most of them started out as small businesses owners, those businesses just continued to grow till they could go public, most of those have no scandals.

And yes your views on the working class do in parts mirror the standard conservative manual.

You mean the point where I recognize that a worker is suppose to provide value to a company?
If that value is less than what an employer can or is willing to pay, that they will be replaced with automation? That is just a harsh reality.
Also working class is poorly defined, want to tighten that up? Are you speaking of a specfic income bracket, or of say hourly workers vs salaried workers, or perhaps people that don't have a trade or a profession?

You try to talk around it by making bullshit statements like this post, but the points you defend show a different view. Again actions matter.

Still waiting on actual examples, especially since I largely only slam the radical left not standard progressive platforms. IE Communism
I don't argue against things like Socialized Medicine, Min wages(though we could quivel about what is the right amount), paying taxes, that the Government is too big in either size or scope, or anything remotely socially conservative.
But.....I guess wanting healthy adults to adult makes me conservative.

[Bneterasedmynam]

Right, the guy who knows nothing about it,

telling other people who do work in those environments,

that they should wear a tin foil hat.

That's Bnet style.

Like Gangnam style, but not cool, catchy, nor fun.

Yeah, because obviously no one else on earth has ever worked for the government except you. Now let's be clear here, I know full well there are people in high up positions who abuse their power and want to be puppet masters, but the term deep state doesn't refer to that and you fucking know it. You like to twist words because you are too big of a pussy to admit your actual full views on any given subject. Deep state absolutely is a tin foil hat movement and it's used as a catch all excuse especially in regards to Trump. You already know this so stop acting like the whole thing is a foreign concept.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I know full well there are people in high up positions who abuse their power and want to be puppet masters, but the term deep state doesn't refer to that and you fucking know it.

I sincerely disagree with you.

It's as good a term as any,

that describes a phenomenon that actually exists.

Any chance your panties are in a wad in the reverse,

Hate it because Hate Trump, Hate Trump, yadda-yadda-yadda?

[goodlun]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state

A deep state can also take the form of entrenched, career civil servants acting in a non-conspiratorial manner, to further their own interests. The intent of a deep state can include continuity of the state itself, job security for its members, enhanced power and authority, and the pursuit of ideological objectives. It can operate in opposition to the agenda of elected officials, by obstructing, resisting, and subverting their policies, conditions and directives. It can also take the form of government-owned corporations or private companies that act independently of regulatory or governmental control.

Yep less tin foil hat than you suggest.

[hungryjoe]

Define

Deep State
Okay sign
Betsy Ross flag

Going way back-

Progressive

[Dung Beatles]

The problem with the Deep State gambit is that it implies all the corrupt bureaucrats are just working for one side or have some kind of cohesive anti-Trump agenda when the truth is that agendas of corrupt bureaucrats are all over the place.

Everyone has dealt with some middle management or secretary that was completely power mad over their tiny insignificant space of work and used it to vent their shitty frustration all over everyone that came into contact with them. Just competent enough to not get fired for work performance but utterly toxic and dysfunctional at every interaction where their petty feelings are hurt.

Those people exist at all income brackets and all level of society with all manner of different political opinions but there isn't really a deep state in so far as they're just maladapted people.

I think it's less an issue of there being Deep State unless that's your word for agenda driven office politics when referring to critics of Trump.

There's undoubtedly a pro-Trump wing doing the exact same thing to non-Trump supporters and what's the difference really?

[Dr. Gonzo]

The problem with the Deep State gambit is that it implies all the corrupt bureaucrats are just working for one side or have some kind of cohesive anti-Trump agenda when the truth is that agendas of corrupt bureaucrats are all over the place.

Everyone has dealt with some middle management or secretary that was completely power mad over their tiny insignificant space of work and used it to vent their shitty frustration all over everyone that came into contact with them. Just competent enough to not get fired for work performance but utterly toxic and dysfunctional at every interaction where their petty feelings are hurt.

Those people exist at all income brackets and all level of society with all manner of different political opinions but there isn't really a deep state in so far as they're just maladapted people.

I think it's less an issue of there being Deep State unless that's your word for agenda driven office politics when referring to critics of Trump.

There's undoubtedly a pro-Trump wing doing the exact same thing to non-Trump supporters and what's the difference really?

Way too many "Trump, Trump, Trump" paragraphs, there.

No.

Deep State actors look out for the own best interests.

And are kind of rogue.

They exist in all administrations.

[goodlun]

The problem with the Deep State gambit is that it implies all the corrupt bureaucrats are just working for one side or have some kind of cohesive anti-Trump agenda when the truth is that agendas of corrupt bureaucrats are all over the place.

Everyone has dealt with some middle management or secretary that was completely power mad over their tiny insignificant space of work and used it to vent their shitty frustration all over everyone that came into contact with them. Just competent enough to not get fired for work performance but utterly toxic and dysfunctional at every interaction where their petty feelings are hurt.

Those people exist at all income brackets and all level of society with all manner of different political opinions but there isn't really a deep state in so far as they're just maladapted people.

I think it's less an issue of there being Deep State unless that's your word for agenda driven office politics when referring to critics of Trump.

There's undoubtedly a pro-Trump wing doing the exact same thing to non-Trump supporters and what's the difference really?

So lets move away from using "Deep state" as it seems to be upsetting people.
Largely the Federal Government, State Programs that run on Federal Grants, Local Government that run on Federal Grants.
Do not really care who the administration is. Largely the governance of the country are these programs and their various program managers and most of these people are career people without a specific political agendas outside of what that specific program is aimed at.
They just want to go to work, do their job, and most want to do their job well.
What they do care about is their budgets, that is what they have to fight other programs for.
They are very competitive with each other.
Here is the damn truth my Program Manager at ONR(is about to retire) has been in that position before Obama was in office.
This is how government runs it has very little to do with who is in office. Yes they go to Congress for money and the amount of money they may or may not get can very some, but not by that much cause of how appropriation bills work.

[Dung Beatles]

Way too many "Trump, Trump, Trump" paragraphs, there.

No.

Deep State actors look out for the own best interests.

And are kind of rogue.

They exist in all administrations.

So to you it's synonymous with everyday corrupt bureaucrats? Given the way that it's used in popular media I don't think the every day yoyo shares the same definition.

[Bneterasedmynam]

So to you it's synonymous with everyday corrupt bureaucrats? Given the way that it's used in popular media I don't think the every day yoyo shares the same definition.

He already knows this. The doc does this all the time, he argues for or against something and then writes novels worth of garbage about how he's really for something else. It's like page 2 of his playbook. I believe the term is two faced.

[Diesel_tke]

I've worked in the federal government for years. I can assure all of you that there is no deep state.

100% no deep state.

So move it along, nothing to see here.

No deep state....

No deep state....

move along

no deep state...

[Dr. Gonzo]

He already knows this. The doc does this all the time, he argues for or against something and then writes novels worth of garbage about how he's really for something else. It's like page 2 of his playbook. I believe the term is two faced.

On the other hand....

[patfromlogan]