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  • BKR
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    yeah, people can suck balls, regardless of however they are labeled.

    Shitty behavior and beliefs are equally spread among the world population.

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  • BKR
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    Originally posted by Cassius View Post
    Ah I wake up to find we are in a possible best case scenario: Typical. Iran. Bitch. Move. If the no casualties figure is correct, and IF the media can hold off tripping over themselves and each other in an effort to make Trump look bad (something he does well enough on his own) for like an hour, thus providing free propaganda to Iran in its attempts to be taken seriously as a world power, this will likely calm down. Ideally Trump will announce a new round of sanctions against Iran and its proxies today, Iran will go back to being its typical shitty self in the shadows, and all of the people who were convinced they heard the drums of Armageddon beating last night can go predict a new date for Trump to end the world.

    Special kudos to the EU for their incredibly strong response. Really taking that world leadership thing seriously. What fantastic allies we have.
    The EU sees too much money to be made selling shit to Iran. It's been that way all along, and was a big part of their enthusiastic support of the Iran nuke deal.

    Maybe they feel more comfortable with the ancient Persian empire being in charge rather than a bunch of tribalist Arabs ? Who have a bunch of their own money anyway.

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  • BKR
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    [QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;3062796]Well they are "guided" in a very rudimentary sense. The Iranian missiles(all to my knowledge) rely upon a very rudimentary inertial guidance system. Which means you need to know the exact coordinates of launch and target to get an accurate hit. Even then it is more to "within a target window". When they fired them into Israel from Syria, about half of them hit/had terminal ballistics for Arab villages, not the cities that they were aiming for.

    Advanced guided missiles are both prohibitively expensive(upward of $2mUSD each) and very technologically advanced. Iran has neither the military budget nor the tech to do that. To put it into relative numbers, the US spends $55 Billion(yes Billion with a B) in its rather limited involvement in Syria each year. Iran's total military budget is $13.2 BillionUSD. In other words the US spends more than 4 times as much on a single side show than Iran does its entire military complex. There is no military parity here. Iran is hard set on picking a fight it cannot win, all because the Ayatollah believes he is the Twelfth Imam and destined to extend Islamic rule over the whole world with the help of Allah.[/QUOTE]

    And there you have it. This is what is driving Iran.

    Not the majority of the Iranian people.

    They live under a theocratic dictatorship driven by beliefs not dissimilar to those Christians who believe in the second coming of Christ.

    Except the Christians are not at the head of a theocracy, nor supporting regional/global terrorism.

    In before ghost55, yeah, right, I know...

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  • Cassius
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    Originally posted by goodlun View Post
    In the end you really only have one, no matter how good the ideology of small scooped government sounds, it's an unrealistic expectation, with the governance of 330 million people, 50 states, 19,500 cities, 3.797 million square miles, and a 22.32 trillion dollar economy.
    Scope is always going to creep, to meet those needs and their are a lot of needs.
    Then the fun part of dissolution/fragmentation and then inevitable excision or pogrom of those different. That was the old pressure pressure release valve for empires grown too large. Is there a new one, or just a different twist on the old one?

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  • goodlun
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    Originally posted by Cassius View Post
    As I've said before: one can choose between a large corrupt government capable of large corruption and large good and bad decisions and a small corrupt government capable of small corruption and small good and bad decisions. Those are your two choices. There are not any other choices.
    In the end you really only have one, no matter how good the ideology of small scooped government sounds, it's an unrealistic expectation, with the governance of 330 million people, 50 states, 19,500 cities, 3.797 million square miles, and a 22.32 trillion dollar economy.
    Scope is always going to creep, to meet those needs and their are a lot of needs.

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  • W. Rabbit
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    Oh now we're cooking, the US Army just distributed an alert about fake text messages getting sent all over, ordering people to report to recruiters or go to jail.

    https://www.military.com/daily-news/...t-message.html

    Right on the heels of the Selective Service website crashing due to heavy loads of worried teenagers.

    Psychological warfare works. People hurt themselves.

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  • Cassius
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    Originally posted by patfromlogan View Post
    Posts here, and written or said in the media, or by those supposed to be on the left, like Warren and the gay guy who should have changed his name into something l could pronounce or spell all say, basically or exactly, legality aside, taking out Suleimani was worth it.

    “The real question to ask about the American drone attack that killed Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani was not whether it was justified, but whether it was wise” — The New York Times


    Is the rule now that the US is allowed unilaterally to execute the officials of other governments who are responsible for many deaths? Are we the only ones who can do this? Can any government claim the right? Should someone assassinate proven war criminals who have caused millions of deaths? Like Kissinger? Cheney? Bush?

    The CIA killed the Iranian prime minister and set up a dictatorship that slaughtered tens of thousands. Should CIA’s Allen Dulles have been assassinated?

    Almost all Americans would call assassinating the director of the CIA terrorism. Is terrorism something America Never Does? Like enhanced interrogation? We don’t torture.

    If, hypothetically, shoe on the other foot time, let’s say Iraq invaded the US, took out our military and the brave homegrown militias led the fight against the invaders. The British gave aid to the militias. Would Iraq be justified in assassinating the chief of Britain’s military?
    It is wise to be able to see all sides of a problem or conflict. Some actions the U.S. has taken are justifiable, others are not. Understanding the perspective of your opponent or enemy is not the same thing as accepting their worldview as equivalent, though. The problems we have had since we have taken the role of world leadership post WWII have been reacting to problems without then proactively finding a way to extricate ourselves from these problems in the long term. I don't have a good answer for you, because we have been putting the wrong people in power for decades, if not centuries. And we let these people have more control and power whenever they ask for it.

    As I've said before: one can choose between a large corrupt government capable of large corruption and large good and bad decisions and a small corrupt government capable of small corruption and small good and bad decisions. Those are your two choices. There are not any other choices.

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  • W. Rabbit
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    Originally posted by goodlun View Post
    Neither Russia nor China are willing to go hot over Iran, they be on their own in anything kenetic.
    Yes yes you want to talk about cyber warfare and propaganda but you keep missing the big thing.
    Americans have already accepted war, we are not protesting in the streets. That acceptance, is the danger.
    Iran hides behind the fact that they think we won't act.
    The problem with all wars though, is that they never quite develop in a reasoned, rational way. WWI started with an assassination, too. We were "Mission Accomplished" in Iraq years before the dawn of ISIS.

    Remember the naval wargames you posted about? They are practicing many different scenarios so that whichever one falls out of the sky one day, they'll already be hot.

    It's not like a game of volleyball where one side has the ball or the other. First, one ball, then regiments of balls flying in all different directions. It can happen, because it has happened before.
    Last edited by W. Rabbit; 1/08/2020 11:18am, .

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  • goodlun
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    https://southpark.cc.com/clips/10353...r-country-song

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  • goodlun
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    Neither Russia nor China are willing to go hot over Iran, they be on their own in anything kenetic.
    Yes yes you want to talk about cyber warfare and propaganda but you keep missing the big thing.
    Americans have already accepted war, we are not protesting in the streets. That acceptance, is the danger.
    Iran hides behind the fact that they think we won't act.

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  • W. Rabbit
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    Originally posted by goodlun View Post
    Iran is in a difficult spot, they can't let a general get killed, but they sure as fuck can't go to war.
    Iran has big badasses for military allies. If it comes to blows other countries join in to protect their strategic interests.

    Russia already has us tearing each other apart online, now they are absolutely spreading massive amounts of bullshit disinformation about what just happened. The real fake news, not Trump's version.

    And not one day after the state vs state kinetic warfare, a new conspiracy theory related to Ukraine. Damn, Vlad, after making billions in oil..you are on a roll.
    Last edited by W. Rabbit; 1/08/2020 10:58am, .

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  • patfromlogan
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    Posts here, and written or said in the media, or by those supposed to be on the left, like Warren and the gay guy who should have changed his name into something l could pronounce or spell all say, basically or exactly, legality aside, taking out Suleimani was worth it.

    “The real question to ask about the American drone attack that killed Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani was not whether it was justified, but whether it was wise” — The New York Times


    Is the rule now that the US is allowed unilaterally to execute the officials of other governments who are responsible for many deaths? Are we the only ones who can do this? Can any government claim the right? Should someone assassinate proven war criminals who have caused millions of deaths? Like Kissinger? Cheney? Bush?

    The CIA killed the Iranian prime minister and set up a dictatorship that slaughtered tens of thousands. Should CIA’s Allen Dulles have been assassinated?

    Almost all Americans would call assassinating the director of the CIA terrorism. Is terrorism something America Never Does? Like enhanced interrogation? We don’t torture.

    If, hypothetically, shoe on the other foot time, let’s say Iraq invaded the US, took out our military and the brave homegrown militias led the fight against the invaders. The British gave aid to the militias. Would Iraq be justified in assassinating the chief of Britain’s military?

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  • goodlun
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    Originally posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    The situation is still extremely volatile. It's not often another country's forces attack the United States openly...do not forget the 82nd Airborne are en route. Paratrooper assault.

    There is a lot of TLP chatter going on that isn't public, too. Accusations flying, etc. Now the news are doing the theorycrafting thing, e.g. Iran is trying to not hurt any Americans.

    What the fuck ever.
    Iran is in a difficult spot, they can't let a general get killed, but they sure as fuck can't go to war.

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  • W. Rabbit
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    The situation is still extremely volatile. It's not often another country's forces attack the United States openly...do not forget the 82nd Airborne are en route. Paratrooper assault.

    There is a lot of TLP chatter going on that isn't public, too. Accusations flying, etc. Now the news are doing the theorycrafting thing, e.g. Iran is trying to not hurt any Americans.

    What the fuck ever.

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  • submessenger
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    Originally posted by submessenger View Post
    Trump to make an address in a little over an hour...

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?467950...e-attacks-iraq

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