Iran War now? Yea or nay?

[lant3rn]

So you want to provide them with material support, training, and stability against others who also may hate their government but don't agree with the guys where like hey your now in charge?

If the US destroyed the power of the current Iran government to enforce itself, but chose not to occupy it, is that not enough? What power would it hold over its people with no stick to keep them in line?

You think other countries want to take on 82 million refugees?

[goodlun]

If the US destroyed the power of the current Iran government to enforce itself, but chose not to occupy it, is that not enough? What power would it hold over its people with no stick to keep them in line?

You think other countries want to take on 82 million refugees?

You seem to be arguing my point for me. Regime change means occupation. Occupation is where the US gets mired down in shit.

[lant3rn]

You seem to be arguing my point for me. Regime change means occupation. Occupation is where the US gets mired down in shit.

[goodlun]

I’m not though... beat their military down and I think revolution would be inevitable.

Have you not learned any lessons from recent history about what happens when you do this?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ors-isis-jihad
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/ira...dam-insurgency
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban_insurgency

Or a better link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellig...rian_Civil_War
The number of factions that have popped up in Syria is exactly what you would see with or without an occupation the difference is with an occupation at least one of them has some backing that offers stability so that no one needs to take on 82 million refugees.

[Dung Beatles]

I’m not though... beat their military down and I think revolution would be inevitable.

We're not talking small numbers here. This scenario is still enormously expensive, costly and with all the same risks of what happened in Iraq and Syria. A destabilized central government in any of these places during a hot war and this will be Iraq all over again as we stay there to help the new government rebuild. If we don't, it would be like throwing the whole thing to the sharks like what happened in Afghanistan with the Taliban after the major fighting was over.

No small stakes.

A few hours ago nobody thought war with Iran was on the immediate horizon and now it's looming larger than any point since the 1970s.

That's not good statesmanship, that's a direct escalation and I'm not convinced it isn't just for Trump's personal benefit.

It's what he said Obama was going to do to get re-elected (irony of irony). The thought has at least occurred to him and I'm not sure it didn't stick somewhere in his brain pan.

[Dung Beatles]

And one last thing before I run out an errand. Who wants to be Russia, once again, profits from this and winds up getting everything they want?

[lant3rn]

Have you not learned any lessons from recent history about what happens when you do this?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ors-isis-jihad
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/ira...dam-insurgency
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban_insurgency

https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/577030

[goodlun]

And one last thing before I run out an errand. Who wants to be Russia, once again, profits from this and winds up getting everything they want?

Another Proxy war where Russian arms are proven to be total shit compared to whats advertised?

[lant3rn]

We're not talking small numbers here. This scenario is still enormously expensive, costly and with all the same risks of what happened in Iraq and Syria. A destabilized central government in any of these places during a hot war and this will be Iraq all over again as we stay there to help the new government rebuild. If we don't, it would be like throwing the whole thing to the sharks like what happened in Afghanistan with the Taliban after the major fighting was over.

No small stakes.

A few hours ago nobody thought war with Iran was on the immediate horizon and now it's looming larger than any point since the 1970s.

That's not good statesmanship, that's a direct escalation and I'm not convinced it isn't just for Trump's personal benefit.

It's what he said Obama was going to do to get re-elected (irony of irony). The thought has at least occurred to him and I'm not sure it didn't stick somewhere in his brain pan.

Afghanistan and Iran do not share the same history, culture or people... you both need to stop being ignorant about that.

You and goodlun think all brown people are the same or something?

[goodlun]

It’s a tangled web, the connection your making is not as cut and dry as your presentation

Show me One single power vacuum in all of human history that hasn't lead to more violence, death, destruction, instability, and a civil war of some kind?

[goodlun]

Afghanistan and Iran do not share the same history, culture or people... you both need to stop being ignorant about that.

You and goodlun think all brown people are the same or something?

Oh bravo, good trolling I thought for a hot min you where being serious in this thread but I should have known no one could be so fucking stupid to think creating a power vacuum would be good for a country.
But now I know your just trying to troll so its all good.
Bravo Bravo, I normally don't get so deeply trolled by people on here.

[lant3rn]

Oh bravo, good trolling I thought for a hot min you where being serious in this thread but I should have known no one could be so fucking stupid to think creating a power vacuum would be good for a country.
But now I know your just trying to troll so its all good.
Bravo Bravo, I normally don't get so deeply trolled by people on here.

I might be agitating you, but that’s your fault.

War always leaves a power vacuum for the conquered, your naive enough to think you can put that chaos in a bottle.

[lant3rn]

Show me One single power vacuum in all of human history that hasn't lead to more violence, death, destruction, instability, and a civil war of some kind?

That is the nature of war... you should probably accept those things as part of it. As I have.

If don’t like what I have to say, then try Hemingway.

“Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime.“

[goodlun]

I might be agitating you, but that’s your fault.

Not agitated at all, I just really though you where smart enough to understand the problem was a power vacuum and not a cultural problem.
However apparently your just a dumb ass oh well.

War always leaves power vacuum, your naive enough to think you can put that chaos in a bottle.

What exactly have I said that gives you the idea that I think it can be put in a bottle, it seems that I have mentioned the problems with occupation, but I am not so fucking dumb as to think that a population is better off just straight up fending for itself.
Since that hasn't gone well ever during any time at all in history ever.

Its cool though I also just want to watch the middle east burn so lets fucking do this thing, we can literally wipe the Iranians military, religious, and political leaders off the map some where between a week and a month, then disappear.
Its fine, I am sure the humanitarian cost of that won't be staggering.

[goodlun]

Well just let China have it after we remove the government then they can take all the Iranian Oil they want that way.