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    Originally posted by Dung Beatles View Post
    Of course not.

    I do not oppose military action against Iran. I just oppose it being handled by Orange Julius Caesar.
    Put another way, I'm not opposed to fighting these bastards but I maintain the right to criticize the manner in which it is done. Just like there's a right and a wrong way to celebrate a touchdown, there's a right and a wrong way to engage a hostile foreign power whose motto is "Death to America".

    If that's how they feel, it's pretty clear that military conflict is inevitable. We're on a collision course now. Their unstable power mad psycho vs ours.
    "Pave the way for the little guy, Caligula!" Harry Solomon, September 28, 1999

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      Originally posted by Dung Beatles View Post
      Of course not.

      I do not oppose military action against Iran. I just oppose it being handled by Orange Julius Caesar.
      This fear is silly. Your caught up too much on the Anti-Trump hype train.
      I dislike him very much I can't stand the fact that his Oration is terrible, that he is very thin skinned, and a host of other problems.
      But he is very good at letting those under him do the things that they need to do.
      You Joint Chiefs are very good at war fighting.
      Its why my comment on
      "Ordered" vs "Approved" is so important.

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        Originally posted by goodlun View Post
        But he is very good at letting those under him do the things that they need to do.
        I disagree. He's decimated our State Department's ranks, there are a metric fuck ton of still empty leadership appointments throughout the executive branch in important positions for American national defense. He's reduced intelligence operation capacity to a skeleton crew and I'm to trust that he's letting people do their jobs?

        Diplomats Sound the Alarm as They Are Pushed Out in Droves
        https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/24/u...tillerson.html

        Of all the State Department employees who might have been vulnerable in the staff reductions that Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson has initiated as he reshapes the department, the one person who seemed least likely to be a target was the chief of security, Bill A. Miller.

        Republicans pilloried Hillary Clinton for what they claimed was her inadequate attention to security as secretary of state in the months before the deadly 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya. Congress even passed legislation mandating that the department’s top security official have unrestricted access to the secretary of state.

        But in his first nine months in office, Mr. Tillerson turned down repeated and sometimes urgent requests from the department’s security staff to brief him, according to several former top officials in the Bureau of Diplomatic Security. Finally, Mr. Miller, the acting assistant secretary for diplomatic security, was forced to cite the law’s requirement that he be allowed to speak to Mr. Tillerson.

        Mr. Miller got just five minutes with the secretary of state, the former officials said. Afterward, Mr. Miller, a career Foreign Service officer, was pushed out, joining a parade of dismissals and early retirements that has decimated the State Department’s senior ranks. Mr. Miller declined to comment.
        "Pave the way for the little guy, Caligula!" Harry Solomon, September 28, 1999

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          BTW, Iraq has a majority Shiite population and our majority anti-Iranian contingent now mostly consists of the Kurds and the Pro-Saddam Sunnis.

          This is a shit show.
          "Pave the way for the little guy, Caligula!" Harry Solomon, September 28, 1999

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            Fake news. Just draining the swamp. MAGA!

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              Originally posted by Dung Beatles View Post
              Now I don't understand you, man.

              You're anti-War to the point of praising Trump's dove-speak but the second he escalates a decision by bumping off their #2 guy you're all in like this is the best thing ever.
              Dung, I am non-aggressionist.

              On a personal or State level, I oppose killing people, or going to war with people, who have not attacked us.

              However, as a non-aggresionist, on a personal level, once someone attacks me, I will eliminate the threat.

              I am a non-aggressionist, but not a pacifist.

              Iran attacked the United States.

              An Iranian enemy combatant, in particular a high ranking enemy combatant target who in all likely helped plan and execute the attack was killed by the US.

              I view this a very modest response as opposed to say glass making indiscriminately in response to an act of War.

              I also view it as a job well done.

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                Originally posted by Dung Beatles View Post
                I disagree. He's decimated our State Department's ranks, there are a metric fuck ton of still empty leadership appointments throughout the executive branch in important positions for American national defense. He's reduced intelligence operation capacity to a skeleton crew and I'm to trust that he's letting people do their jobs?

                Diplomats Sound the Alarm as They Are Pushed Out in Droves
                https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/24/u...tillerson.html
                Controlled burns often appear horrific but are often beneficial.

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                  Originally posted by Dung Beatles View Post
                  I disagree. He's decimated our State Department's ranks, there are a metric fuck ton of still empty leadership appointments throughout the executive branch in important positions for American national defense. He's reduced intelligence operation capacity to a skeleton crew and I'm to trust that he's letting people do their jobs?

                  Diplomats Sound the Alarm as They Are Pushed Out in Droves
                  https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/24/u...tillerson.html
                  Cool a 3 year old story that you didn't do any follow up leg work on:

                  https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...cker/database/

                  How about you just stop drinking all the anti-trump kool-aid in order to meet your narrative.
                  Do I think Trump is a shitty president yes I do.
                  However he is largely a figure head. He is fairly hands off on the Federal Government.

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                    Originally posted by Dr. Gonzo View Post
                    I also view it as a job well done.
                    I'm glad Suliemani is dead and I think it's long overdue. I'm worried that we'll wind up being isolated into a hopeless position in Iraq and that these nations are going to turn into even bigger terror exporters than they were before. Tales of the demise of ISIS have been overstated and now we don't even have the Kurds left as natural allies.
                    "Pave the way for the little guy, Caligula!" Harry Solomon, September 28, 1999

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                      Originally posted by Dr. Gonzo View Post
                      Controlled burns often appear horrific but are often beneficial.
                      You literally just repeated my obviously sarcastic comment without the sarcasm.

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                        Originally posted by Dung Beatles View Post
                        I'm glad Suliemani is dead and I think it's long overdue. I'm worried that we'll wind up being isolated into a hopeless position in Iraq and that these nations are going to turn into even bigger terror exporters than they were before. Tales of the demise of ISIS have been overstated and now we don't even have the Kurds left as natural allies.
                        Pick a narrative and stick to it

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                          Originally posted by ghost55 View Post
                          What y'all are missing is that traditionally diplomatic talks are considered off limits for this shit. If the Iraqi PM is telling the truth we absolutely just committed an act of war.
                          Even if that were true,

                          the Iranians committed an act of war.

                          I realize that after 8 years of the Obama administration that Iran might be quite surprised that the US would respond to an act of war by Iran by not paying them money.

                          But, there is a new Sheriff in town.

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                            Originally posted by Dr. Gonzo View Post
                            Even if that were true,

                            the Iranians committed an act of war.

                            I realize that after 8 years of the Obama administration that Iran might be quite surprised that the US would respond to an act of war by Iran by not paying them money.

                            But, there is a new Sheriff in town.
                            Haven't you learned yet, in Ghost's world The US government is always wrong.

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                              Originally posted by goodlun View Post
                              Cool a 3 year old story that you didn't do any follow up leg work on:

                              https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...cker/database/

                              How about you just stop drinking all the anti-trump kool-aid in order to meet your narrative.
                              Do I think Trump is a shitty president yes I do.
                              However he is largely a figure head. He is fairly hands off on the Federal Government.
                              So 21% unfilled positions in both the State and Defense departments and 53% unfilled positions and no appointed Secretary for Homeland Security is a job well done on National Defense?

                              Is that the haterade or I am going blind and only hallucinate that this looks like fucking dog shit?
                              "Pave the way for the little guy, Caligula!" Harry Solomon, September 28, 1999

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                                Originally posted by goodlun View Post
                                Pick a narrative and stick to it
                                No, I haven't changed my avenue of criticism.

                                I am a defense hawk conservative and I'm proud of it. I'm not opposed to military action, I'm opposed to it being done poorly.
                                "Pave the way for the little guy, Caligula!" Harry Solomon, September 28, 1999

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