Iran War now? Yea or nay?

[goodlun]

Look, Boomer, just because you were a handsome, sleepy-eyed devil in high school, with a hot date to the prom, doesn't make you anything special.

Nor does the fact that your current and long time wife is so much hotter than you, it's ridiculous. I mean, she must have been high to have...

Means you can question my peri-boomer, neocon wisdom.

Don't hit refineries, because that would slow down their recovery after we kick their asses, and the Iranians overthrow their religious zealot leadership. We can just bottle them up transport wise and let them stew in it. Don't hurt the general public of Iran, is what I'm saying, or do it as little as possible.

Hitting Refineries means that their mechanized things stop moving though.........
Also think of the Halliburton Contract that can be handed out to rebuild them

[BKR]

U.S. Central Command says there are between 60,000 and 70,000 U.S. troops in the Middle East.

So, what, 10% of those are combat ground troops and associated cavalry, maybe ?

It looks like, from what I am hearing from the news that the Wife Unit is watching, that Iran is taking the asymmetrical warfare route at this time, in Iraq itself. Lots of protests, etc., no doubt from the militia that support them. A couple of rocket attacks, one on a base, the other on the Green Zone.

This is weak sauce for them, looks like they got the message, maybe?

I bet the guy who replaced Sulewhathisname is not walking around out in the open...

[BKR]

Hitting Refineries means that their mechanized things stop moving though.........
Also think of the Halliburton Contract that can be handed out to rebuild them

All you have to do is cut off their transport system. They have to get oil to refineries, and fuel to the mechanized divisions/troops.

No, no, the Europenes will want that.

Definitely take out their nuke facilities, though. Use those bunker busters etc. and get them all.

[BKR]

They pay in cash...

Ass, grass, or cash, nobody rides for free...

[BKR]

AIR POWER BABY!!!

and

They do not want an all out war. Their hold on their own is shaky now. Most people don't know the tensions within the nation of Iran. Think Erdogan in Turkey but worse.

I get it, I look at more than mainstream news every now and then.

Right now, there are "protests" in Iraq that the mainstream is focusing on, including the usual FUD about a war, oh, my, you know, whatever will we do, wringing their hands,etc.

It's to be expected, but kinda sickening nonetheless.

[BKR]

We don't need to invade. I said the lights go out.

Correct, so you caught me. Blind Genxr catches a peri-boomer once in a while.

[BKR]

I an, now, in writing mode. After ham and beans with on more Old Stock Ale. It's all on you Ben. My first RNC. Before I ever heard the term.

note to self

Find appropriate thread.

We do have an thread for old man gastric/bowel issues...

Did you leave marks on her with that no doubt crude attempt at shime waza?

[hungryjoe]

Look, Boomer, just because you were a handsome, sleepy-eyed devil in high school, with a hot date to the prom, doesn't make you anything special.

Nor does the fact that your current and long time wife is so much hotter than you, it's ridiculous. I mean, she must have been high to have...

Means you can question my peri-boomer, neocon wisdom.

Don't hit refineries, because that would slow down their recovery after we kick their asses, and the Iranians overthrow their religious zealot leadership. We can just bottle them up transport wise and let them stew in it. Don't hurt the general public of Iran, is what I'm saying, or do it as little as possible.

Lol

I taught the hot wife to cook.

I smell what you're cooking. The Iranian people have, themselves, suffered a great deal. Our embargos have been crippling.

note to readers

That photo was of me and my history teacher's daughter. We were high as hell. I had hair. On top.

[goodlun]

So, what, 10% of those are combat ground troops and associated cavalry, maybe ?

Honestly don't know, we do tend to run more Air Power heavy in the region, but we do have other assets close by in Europe, and Asia as well.
Point being is we have a lot of jumping off points, making Iraq itself a lot less meaningful.
Iran will run into all sorts of issues in Iraq with asymmetric attacks against them as well if they move into the area beyond what they are now.

It looks like, from what I am hearing from the news that the Wife Unit is watching, that Iran is taking the asymmetrical warfare route at this time, in Iraq itself. Lots of protests, etc., no doubt from the militia that support them. A couple of rocket attacks, one on a base, the other on the Green Zone.

Its really the best they can hope for, lets see how well we stick to our no proxy attacks rhetoric we have delivered.

I bet the guy who replaced Sulewhathisname is not walking around out in the open...

Brigadier General Esmail Ghaani, is the replacement for the Quds Force.
The problem I think with this is Esmail seems to really drink the Iranian superiority kool aide and might ramp up attacks.

[BKR]

Honestly don't know, we do tend to run more Air Power heavy in the region, but we do have other assets close by in Europe, and Asia as well.
Point being is we have a lot of jumping off points, making Iraq itself a lot less meaningful.
Iran will run into all sorts of issues in Iraq with asymmetric attacks against them as well if they move into the area beyond what they are now.


Its really the best they can hope for, lets see how well we stick to our no proxy attacks rhetoric we have delivered.



Brigadier General Esmail Ghaani, is the replacement for the Quds Force.
The problem I think with this is Esmail seems to really drink the Iranian superiority kool aide and might ramp up attacks.

If he does, he won't be long for the world, I bet.

If the proxies really ramp up on Americans, troops, diplomatic, etc., there should be hell to pay.

[Bneterasedmynam]

I've seen some new reports, claiming that the US's European "allies" are upset by the "escalation". Could someone please explain this to me. I'm really not getting it. Has something so profoundly changed that is now acceptable to attack another nation's embassy?

LOL@Europe. You mean the dumbfucks who arrested a victim of a terrorist attack to "re-educate" him for harboring ill will towards the batshit crazy fuckers who attacked his city?? Hahahahaha yeah Europe is gone, it's just a collection of Muslim countries now.

[Dung Beatles]

Are we talking about a full frontal overt war between the US and Iran?

Iran's ayatollah is not suicidal. I don't think he believes he can win a frontal war alone. So, right now the danger we are in is how much he still thinks he can get away with versus what response will come from the WH.

The problem that the ayatollah will run into is where do you go when you are already operating overtime to cause problems for the West?

I'm expecting scaled up kidnappings, hostage taking and proxy terrorist attacks. Like how Bashir Al Assad and Iran supplied and funded the groups that became ISIS and other extremists to kill American soldiers in Iraq. Fuck them both to death. Russia's little friendship with Bashir is a problem and has not gone away. Syria and Russia are just biding their time until they can expand terrorist acts against the West. Count on that.

This is the crux of it is that these guys are all shitbirds. They played brinksmanship for years to kill American soldiers because they wanted to cause as many problems with stabilizing Iraq into a prosperous regime as possible with the long term goal of appropriating the new government any way they could. My guess is Russia is going to try to expand their influence into Iraq while the US is looking the other way on Iran.

The more we let Syria off the hook for their role in helping terrorists and helping to create ISIS the more time they have to build a new network of terrorism proxies. Russia is trying to reap the benefits of regime change after the US shouldered the cost in the region. That's how it is. It's a region full of crooks and ceding the region to Russia only guarantees a better armed, better organized and better funded future generation of terrorists.

Russia profits from the chaos and the US gets stuck with the price tag of fighting them off. Russia and China prop up the extremists in the countries that make war on the West. They're not going to stop doing it because it weakens us and puts them that much closer to their expansionist goals.

[W. Rabbit]

Smexy sounds like some kind of personal hygiene issue...

I guess there is a fetish for everything, though, so rock on, BOOMER.

It's not a fetish, it's basic biology.

Primates choose their maters through their sense of smell.

In fact, they can detect flaws in DNA that allows them to select mates that will best eliminate undesirable DNA strands.

[Dung Beatles]

It's not a fetish, it's basic biology.

Primates choose their maters through their sense of smell.

In fact, they can detect flaws in DNA that allows them to select mates that will best eliminate undesirable DNA strands.

That's why the ladies loved me. Superior DNA in my jeans.

[Michael Tzadok]

If Iran launched a full scale invasion of Iraq then they would have to deal with the Arabian Peninsula.

Probably not. Historically they have stayed out of the fight, and just promised support that they never delivered on. Now with the other problems on the Peninsula in Qatar and Yemen they aren't looking for a two front war, nor would they engage in one until Iran is at the gates and the US has turned them down flat no matter how much they reduce oil prices.

The Iranians can't move in mass due to ISIS, while you cannot hold land with Air Power alone, you can stop armies from moving with it.
Especially if they have no supply lines and no command and control capabilities.
As well as they can't abandon their own territory in mass either as we have the force projection capabilities to move in from other bases we have in the area as well as the sea.
Iraq is a benefit to us but we don't actually need it lets not forget all of those Air Bases we have in Saudi Arabia and those pesky floating Air Bases.
Nor lets not forget this:
US Military Bases in Kuwait
Camp Arifjan Army Base in Arifjan, Kuwait. ...
Camp Doha Army Base in Kuwait Bay, Kuwait. ...
Camp Virginia Army Base in Al Jahra, Kuwait. ...
Camp Buehring Army Base in Udari, Kuwait. ...
Camp Partriot Army Base in Southeast Coast, Kuwait. ...
Camp New York Army Base in Kuwait Desert, Kuwait. ...
Camp Spearhead Army Base in Shuaiba, Kuwait.

ISIS really isn't that much of a threat in the Middle East anymore. I also don't think that Iran is overly concerned with them. Iran fought an 8yr war against Iraq despite Iraq's repeated use of WMDs. Sending people into a meat grinder has never been Iran's major concern, and frankly ISIS can't put up the fight that a US and Soviet backed Iraq could.

Iran's ayatollah is not suicidal. I don't think he believes he can win a frontal war alone. So, right now the danger we are in is how much he still thinks he can get away with versus what response will come from the WH.

The problem that the ayatollah will run into is where do you go when you are already operating overtime to cause problems for the West?

I'm expecting scaled up kidnappings, hostage taking and proxy terrorist attacks. Like how Bashir Al Assad and Iran supplied and funded the groups that became ISIS and other extremists to kill American soldiers in Iraq. Fuck them both to death. Russia's little friendship with Bashir is a problem and has not gone away. Syria and Russia are just biding their time until they can expand terrorist acts against the West. Count on that.

This is the crux of it is that these guys are all shitbirds. They played brinksmanship for years to kill American soldiers because they wanted to cause as many problems with stabilizing Iraq into a prosperous regime as possible with the long term goal of appropriating the new government any way they could. My guess is Russia is going to try to expand their influence into Iraq while the US is looking the other way on Iran.

The more we let Syria off the hook for their role in helping terrorists and helping to create ISIS the more time they have to build a new network of terrorism proxies. Russia is trying to reap the benefits of regime change after the US shouldered the cost in the region. That's how it is. It's a region full of crooks and ceding the region to Russia only guarantees a better armed, better organized and better funded future generation of terrorists.

Russia profits from the chaos and the US gets stuck with the price tag of fighting them off. Russia and China prop up the extremists in the countries that make war on the West. They're not going to stop doing it because it weakens us and puts them that much closer to their expansionist goals.

I think you underestimate the crazy that can come from a theocracy. I've spent enough time around religious nuts of all stripes that believed God was on their side to know that, they are suicidal, just delusional. I see no evidence to point away from the Ayatollahs being the same. I'm sure the Ayatollah knows that on paper he can't win. However, I'm also fairly certain that he thinks he has the X-factor of the Supreme Ruler of the Universe being in his corner and who, he truly believes will fight for him. You really need to get a good look inside that sort of crazy. Much like the Arab nations around Israel believe and teach that they won all of their wars against Israel... Their belief system won't let them think any different. This guy truly believes that the US can't beat him, because if the US tries they are going to be going toe to toe with the almighty. That should terrify you just a bit.