Iran War now? Yea or nay?

[Michael Tzadok]

It wasn't night though, it was the very early morning (6am)

From what I've seen so far, the only video available is cell phone video of the crashing plane, not what happened beforehand.

Sorry it was the break of dawn. You still would have seen the reverse shooting star effect along with an exhaust plume(thanks to the sunlight). Not seeing either in the footage or the still I can find online.

[goodlun]

Iran is going to straight fucking admit to doing it and some.of y'all are still going to be going through the mental gymnastics of explaining how they didn't do it

When they admit to it we will at least have some evidence other than timing.
As someone that professionally trouble shoots all sorts of things.
From people to things, processes, outside factors, ECT.
Timing is important but focusing to heavily on it can fuck you up.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I still think it was a drunk maintenance tech that didn't tighten down a fuel line quite to spec.

Here is my bet:

See Patlogan's end of times prophecy threads.

People are just bursting into flames, man.

It's the third sign of the Mayan long heads aliens return.

[Michael Tzadok]

Look I would almost believe that some trigger happy guy sitting in a Dishka or some other AAA battery clacked off a few rounds into an engine, but until I see footage of the reverse shooting star of a SAM, I'm not buying missile.

[W. Rabbit]

Has anyone else here actually seen AA/SAMs fired at night? Good grief go back and watch some patriot missile footage from Desert Storm, they were SAMs meant to compete with the TOR M1.

There is nothing in that home video that looks anything like an AA missile. Even a shoulder fired rocket, like a "stinger" is pretty spectacular to watch.

On board bomb or incendiary device I would believe. But "shot down", you all really need to see some night footage of what that looks like to know that ain't what happened.

It wasn't night though, it was the very early morning (6am)

From what I've seen so far, the only video available is cell phone video of the crashing plane, not what happened beforehand.

Most of the people onboard were Iranian, so it's very plausible there was a terrorist onboard. Based on the timetable, it would have been prime time to blow something up, knowing the finger pointing that would ensue.

I don't see any intentional reason for the government to do it. And I don't think the Iranian military would have been so careless, either, but that's how the US will play this

[Dr. Gonzo]

Iran is going to straight fucking admit to doing it and some.of y'all are still going to be going through the mental gymnastics of explaining how they didn't do it

And then they be chewing on your ketchup, for sure.

[goodlun]

If you actually listen to what Trump said, as long as it's ambiguous and probably long afte, he's going to use this "maybe" to defend himself, personally. That's his MO, something bad happens causally related to his actions, it was "the other side".

It used to be his real estate competitors. Now it's the enemy du jour.

My money is still on ISIS or somebody trying to start a war, assuming it wasnt as Sub said, some unlucky duck.

I still think it was a drunk maintenance tech that didn't tighten down a fuel line quite to spec.

[ghost55]

Iran is going to straight fucking admit to doing it and some.of y'all are still going to be going through the mental gymnastics of explaining how they didn't do it

[goodlun]

I mean fuck Ghost your missing the Obvious conspiracy, that the CIA planted a bomb on board during it's maintenance visit 2 days earlier.

[W. Rabbit]

But I thought reports and statements from President Trump, and his administration, were to be considered unreliable?

If you actually listen to what Trump said, as long as it's ambiguous and probably long afte, he's going to use this "maybe" to defend himself, personally. That's his MO, something bad happens causally related to his actions, it was "the other side".

It used to be his real estate competitors. Now it's the enemy du jour.

My money is still on ISIS or somebody trying to start a war, assuming it wasnt as Sub said, some unlucky duck.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Want some ketchup to go with that?

Ketchup is the great American sauce.

I am not a ketchup hater.

[goodlun]

I've got bad news.

This is called "propaganda".

And it's going to work.

Correction it's working.

[Michael Tzadok]

Very correct, physical evidence is the best.
Also there are aviation tracking hobbyist even in Iran.
None of them have suggested anything funking going on that day.


The chances that happened vs an engine accident 2 days after the engine was serviced?
I think I know which of those two I would bet on.
Especially since no AA assets where close enough to make that shot.
Nor do we have any reports from other pilots in the sky, aviation trackers, or anyone else of AA missiles being shot.
This plane wasn't in some remote part of the country it was by the Airport

Has anyone else here actually seen AA/SAMs fired at night? Good grief go back and watch some patriot missile footage from Desert Storm, they were SAMs meant to compete with the TOR M1.

There is nothing in that home video that looks anything like an AA missile. Even a shoulder fired rocket, like a "stinger" is pretty spectacular to watch.

On board bomb or incendiary device I would believe. But "shot down", you all really need to see some night footage of what that looks like to know that ain't what happened.

[W. Rabbit]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/09/polit...ane/index.html

I hope y'all like the taste of crow.

I've got bad news.

This is called "propaganda".

And it's going to work.

[submessenger]

But I thought reports and statements from President Trump, and his administration, were to be considered unreliable?

First, CNN. So, it's #fakenews.
Second, it's saber rattling. So, it's #fakenews.

All that story shows is that we're building a conspiracy theory to support/enhance efforts to turn Iran into a giant puddle of glass.

This could have been a bird strike.