Iran War now? Yea or nay?

[Dr. Gonzo]

Well, you did quote me, so I don’t think it was too big of a jump to infer that comment was directed at me.

Regardless, you are clearly a Russian spy because you disagreed with me.

Am I doing this right Ghost?

I have friends who are Russians, Russian Americans, Iranians, and Iranian Americans in the Wrestling, Judo, and grappling communities.

And I very much like most of these people.

Part of what steams me about all this Russian boogeyman propaganda, is those Russian Americans have kids, who go to American schools, and have to hear that crap constantly, can you imagine what that is like?

A lot of my Iranian American wrestling friends tell their children to tell the other kids they are Persian when asked.

So, I think a lot of the people who use word "Russian" like it is an insult, do a disservice to many fine Russian Americans that then have to deal with that crap, and explain to their children how to deal with it...

Same deal for the Mexican American kids going to school right now, and yup, you can blame that one right on the Trump.

It's piss poor.

[jnp]

I am no fan of State sponsored assassinations, but if the U.S. doesn’t escalate this any further, and the Iranians understand it’s against their own self interest to attack us, then it will prove to be a wise policy decision.

That guy was bad news for the Middle East and the U.S.

[Michael Tzadok]

The UK foreign secretary asked both parties to calm it down a bit but recognised that Iran was in the wrong. Im no fan of Trump but personally I think it was a very reasonable response.

Yeah, personally I try not to play team politics.

I think the response was right and warranted in this situation, regardless of who the CINC is that made the call.

[It is Fake]

Yeah, personally I try not to play team politics.

I think the response was right and warranted in this situation, regardless of who the CINC is that made the call.

You are like me and not the head of a nation. 99% of the problems in America are because no one wants to play team politics.

You keep crossing the line, you might get smacked.

That’s how I look at this and agree.

[Michael Tzadok]

No one wants to play team politics? It seems to me like everyone wants to play team politics. You are either team red, and this everything team blue does is wrong. Or you are team blue and everything team red does is wrong.

[goodlun]

I would like to point something out that I don't think some people actually understand.

President Trump didn't "order" the strike despite what he has tweeted.
President Trump "authorized" the strike.
He got some intelligence briefing saying that we had military assets that can strike Soleimani while he is in Iraq.

The fact that Trump is taking credit for that, is actually good, its much better to have a Boogie man to focus on instead of the US armed forces intelligence and ability to act on intelligence in a rapid manner in theater.

[It is Fake]

You are either team red, and this everything team blue does is wrong. Or you are team blue and everything team red does is wrong.

If we are a team, Team America, we put aside our differences for a common goal. We don’t do this and it is why I said 99% of our problem comes from not playing “Team politics.”

Yes, semantics, but we see the definition differently.

Team politics, to me, is when something gets passed unanimously by all parties.
Versus or adversarial politics is when you say “okay, but” then add a thousand riders to a bill to screw it up or get what you want still screwing it up.
IMO.

[It is Fake]

I would like to point something out that I don't think some people actually understand.

President Trump didn't "order" the strike despite what he has tweeted.
President Trump "authorized" the strike.
He got some intelligence briefing saying that we had military assets that can strike Soleimani while he is in Iraq.

The fact that Trump is taking credit for that, is actually good, its much better to have a Boogie man to focus on instead of the US armed forces intelligence and ability to act on intelligence in a rapid manner in theater.

No, we understand, this is part of rhetoric and semantics. Just like the argument is Trump impeached or is it when the articles get sent.

You aren’t wrong except to say people do not understand. If he authorized/approved it people, as well as Trump, can say he did “order” the strike.

You can argue intelligence and it wasn’t him.

Neither side is wrong, welcome to the world of semantics.

[PDA]

I've seen some new reports, claiming that the US's European "allies" are upset by the "escalation". Could someone please explain this to me. I'm really not getting it. Has something so profoundly changed that is now acceptable to attack another nation's embassy?

Only half of Europe are vocal allies of the US .

For example in the UK Jeremy Corbyn (the dude who just got his arse handed to him in the election) is speaking negatively about the in his words “assassination “.

Boris Johnson however is on holiday most likely giving slightly less than zero fucks as he has said nothing and refused appeals to recall parliament .

[It is Fake]

Only half of Europe are vocal allies of the US .

For example in the UK Jeremy Corbyn (the dude who just got his arse handed to him in the election) is speaking negatively about the in his words “assassination “.

Boris Johnson however is on holiday most likely giving slightly less than zero fucks as he has said nothing and refused appeals to recall parliament .

.....and this is part of the appeal of Trumps platform. I for one have been sick of this shit for decades. I believe America puts out too many fires, comes running for every disaster and then gets shit for retaliating when warranted. Yes, I know it is biased, but we are way to open about things.

Now, to me, Trump is a fucking awful choice to carry out this “zero fucks given” policy, but this is the one thing voters clung to was and is America first.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order...-bad-behavior/

Here’s a decent article close to how I feel. Yes, including the fact it is our own damn fault.

[Dung Beatles]

They managed from their level and then we, at the lowered levels, we able to make them look good by being the awesome employees we are.

I hope you're right.

Guilty as charged. I freely admit that I'm way out of my depth and the Pentagon and CIA have had a long time to get extremely good at this shit.

[goodlun]

This is a good article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/03/w...-iran-war.html
One thing they sort of missed out on though is how Iran being at war does impact Russia and China much more than other countries in the region.

I am also not sure I agree with this assessment:
Iran is a regional power with far more sophisticated military capabilities than any country that the United States has gone to war with since World War II.
Well, it is "true" but its still leaves an impression that they are sophisticated or that sophistication offers up a challenge that the US military isn't prepared for.
Israel F35 adir has proven effective against the S-300. The equipment added to the Adir isn't insignificant. However the B2 is more than capable of taking out S300 sites.
The Iranians have no air assets that challenge F22s or F35s.

[hungryjoe]

This is a good article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/03/w...-iran-war.html
One thing they sort of missed out on though is how Iran being at war does impact Russia and China much more than other countries in the region.

I am also not sure I agree with this assessment:
Iran is a regional power with far more sophisticated military capabilities than any country that the United States has gone to war with since World War II.
Well, it is "true" but its still leaves an impression that they are sophisticated or that sophistication offers up a challenge that the US military isn't prepared for.
Israel F35 adir has proven effective against the S-300. The equipment added to the Adir isn't insignificant. However the B2 is more than capable of taking out S300 sites.
The Iranians have no air assets that challenge F22s or F35s.

Not a mention of the fact the US would consider targeted attacks on Iran's refineries. That alone would be crippling. Sure, price of oil would go up. Temporarily. China wants that oil. They don't want Iran at war with the US. Nor does Russia.

[goodlun]

Not a mention of the fact the US would consider targeted attacks on Iran's refineries. That alone would be crippling. Sure, price of oil would go up. Temporarily. China wants that oil. They don't want Iran at war with the US. Nor does Russia.

Indeed:
Yea
Oil is fungible, oil transportation infrastructure is less so. So the impact would be disproportionately felt by Russia and China.

[It is Fake]

This is a good article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/03/w...-iran-war.html
One thing they sort of missed out on though is how Iran being at war does impact Russia and China much more than other countries in the region.

I am also not sure I agree with this assessment:
Iran is a regional power with far more sophisticated military capabilities than any country that the United States has gone to war with since World War II.
Well, it is "true" but its still leaves an impression that they are sophisticated or that sophistication offers up a challenge that the US military isn't prepared for.
Israel F35 adir has proven effective against the S-300. The equipment added to the Adir isn't insignificant. However the B2 is more than capable of taking out S300 sites.
The Iranians have no air assets that challenge F22s or F35s.

You are reading to much into it IMO.

I get the impression they are saying this isn’t going to be DS 1 or 2, nor 9/11 or the continued issues in Afghanistan. If we go to war, hope we don’t, it will not be a 100 hour war.