Iran War now? Yea or nay?

[Dr. Gonzo]

I am not above admitting its a missile when the international community does its investigation with proper access to the site and the black box.
Right now a missile strike is an easy lie, and one that serves US interest very well. One that people are willing to believe before the releasing of any evidence.
The evidence we have right now is a video, and some scattered tweets. That video hasn't really been properly vetted yet.

All that said, it very well could be the truth but I remain skeptical cause that will always be more starting point on anything like this.

A confidential resource reports there was a key person on the plane that had dirt on Hillary Clinton and was preparing to come forward.

[goodlun]

I am not above admitting its a missile when the international community does its investigation with proper access to the site and the black box.
Right now a missile strike is an easy lie, and one that serves US interest very well. One that people are willing to believe before the releasing of any evidence.
The evidence we have right now is a video, and some scattered tweets. That video hasn't really been properly vetted yet.

All that said, it very well could be the truth but I remain skeptical cause that will always be more starting point on anything like this.

[lant3rn]

They can, but some things that still don't quite line up for me.
I am not trying to be obstinate here I am plenty willing to admit I am wrong when I am wrong.
I am certainly more along the spectrum that flight might have been targeted for some reason.
Questions that I would like resolved and will get resolved with more time durning investigation.
If hit by an Anti-Aircraft missile while climbing how was it able to try and turn back towards the airport and crash facing the airport a good distance away from impact.
Why this air craft and not any others in the sky at the time.
Why would an AA missile site be right there and why would operators whom have been watching air craft take off and land over and over again make an error.
What possible benefit does targeting that plane give anyone?
These are all things that need to be answered.

Hopefully the truth wills out.

I am not equipped to answer or even speculate about your questions, however.

I know Iran history shows their current government really doesn’t give a shit about killing their own people, as long they control the narrative as to why.

[W. Rabbit]

Fuck......

Ghost55, Rabbit is you in 20 years.
Rabbit, Ghost is you 20 years ago.

Watching you guys argue is fucking hilarious.

If only Perry Mason were here. He'd get to the bottom of this.

[W. Rabbit]

That is a claim your going to have to back up. Especially considering geography and weapon ranges. Your not moving a for deep enough into Iran to be that close to Tehran.
You all act like there are not serious limitations to AA

The Middle East is covered in old Soviet and Russian arms. And terrorists use it all. And ISIS is definitely at war with Iran.

This would not be the first time ISIS (which has stolen and used US, Russian, Syrian, and Iraqi vehicles and weapons of all types) attacked deep within Iran.

https://ctc.usma.edu/terror-in-tehra...amic-republic/

They've already attacked the Iranian Parliament. They are, for all purposes, an enemy of both Iran and America. So, blowing up a plane to escalate both sides, in a window of just a few hours of trading missile barrages, makes perfect sense.

Besides, there's still no evidence at all it was a SA-15. It could easily have been a MANPADS launched from one guy. Range fits, altitude fits, speed of missile fits. Fuel type is a definite fit.

So my money is on terrorist MANPADS. Your move!

[goodlun]

You don’t think my government can do there own leg work?

They can, but some things that still don't quite line up for me.
I am not trying to be obstinate here I am plenty willing to admit I am wrong when I am wrong.
I am certainly more along the spectrum that flight might have been targeted for some reason.
Questions that I would like resolved and will get resolved with more time durning investigation.
If hit by an Anti-Aircraft missile while climbing how was it able to try and turn back towards the airport and crash facing the airport a good distance away from impact.
Why this air craft and not any others in the sky at the time.
Why would an AA missile site be right there and why would operators whom have been watching air craft take off and land over and over again make an error.
What possible benefit does targeting that plane give anyone?
These are all things that need to be answered.

[AprilRains]

Fuck......

Ghost55, Rabbit is you in 20 years.
Rabbit, Ghost is you 20 years ago.


Watching you guys argue is fucking hilarious.

needs more rusty butter knives

[It is Fake]

Fuck......

Ghost55, Rabbit is you in 20 years.
Rabbit, Ghost is you 20 years ago.


Watching you guys argue is fucking hilarious.

[lant3rn]

Well cool, the final question on that, is are they saying that because the Americans are saying that, or because the Americans presented them with evidence.
Both are very possible.
Tor only has an 8 mile missile range so it would be odd to park it right there at the Airport.
That is also possible.

[goodlun]

Canada is also saying it was an Iranian missile: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cha...rash-1.5420398

Well cool, the final question on that, is are they saying that because the Americans are saying that, or because the Americans presented them with evidence.
Both are very possible.
Tor only has an 8 mile missile range so it would be odd to park it right there at the Airport.
That is also possible.

[submessenger]

Definitely several times faster than the 737 was flying. Rules out drone, small craft, and bird.

I'm a rocket hobbyist, aren't you? Do you hear it? My eyes aren't that great, but to my ears, unmistakable.

Deduction is fun. We have the room, the weapon, we just don't know Professor Plum vs Ms. Scarlett at this point.

We could try inducing the right answer, but without more info it'd just be a guess.

Yeah, this is initial climb, under 10k, so plane was probably not doing more than 250kts or so, SOG. I'm assuming the video is authentic, because NYT says it is.

I think we need to wait to hear who was on the plane. Accident seems unlikely, at this point, unless the accident was in targeting the wrong plane.

[W. Rabbit]

Really?

More tense?

I suspect, for the Iranian government, and Iranian military, sure.

For the past couple nights they have been wondering which of them might be the next to get so excited about going to Paradise that they just explode or their heads go pop.

Or if this is finally the year, their own people get sick of their shit and toss them.

And, I suspect the people with Iranium outbound flights have been pretty tense for the past day or so.

Well consider that the last few days have seen the greatest direct US/Iranian violence since 1979 if I'm not mistaken.

And now we have proof of a tragedy that somehow came out of nowhere as sure as that 9M330 (assuming of course, that is the solid fuel projectile in the video...it might not be).

And my son's didn't give two shots about Iran before this week. Now at least one is thinking he's gonna get drafted, and my wife is crying.

Tense.

[Dr. Gonzo]

41 years of tension just got worse than ever before.

Really?

More tense?

I suspect, for the Iranian government, and Iranian military, sure.

For the past couple nights they have been wondering which of them might be the next to get so excited about going to Paradise that they just explode or their heads go pop.

Or if this is finally the year, their own people get sick of their shit and toss them.

And, I suspect the people with Iranium outbound flights have been pretty tense for the past day or so.

[W. Rabbit]

The NYT video does seem pretty shot-downy. That's mach2 or so, to my eyes.

Definitely several times faster than the 737 was flying. Rules out drone, small craft, and bird.

I'm a rocket hobbyist, aren't you? Do you hear it? My eyes aren't that great, but to my ears, unmistakable.

Deduction is fun. We have the room, the weapon, we just don't know Professor Plum vs Ms. Scarlett at this point.

We could try inducing the right answer, but without more info it'd just be a guess.

[W. Rabbit]

Canada is also saying it was an Iranian missile: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cha...rash-1.5420398

It was a Russian missile.

I knew it all along!!! ><