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    Originally posted by Dr. Gonzo View Post
    Evidence you say?

    If you make the claim that others who disagree with you are more emotional than you,

    how shall you prove that claim?

    Also, if I may ask, how many personal firearms do own,

    and what is your level of training and expertise with firearms?
    I own no firearms. I spent three years in the reserves and carried one around for my job for a bit.
    So more training and expertise than is considered neccecary to be walking around with a gun.

    Because that would be zero training or expertise wouldn't it?
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      Originally posted by gregaquaman View Post
      Because you are making stuff up. So my arguments don't really change. Because you don't change the facts.

      Freedom of press

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        Originally posted by Dr. Gonzo View Post
        And what does this last post have to do with the U.S. citizen’s right to bear arms, and that right’s guarantee of not being infringed by the U.S. Bill of Rights?
        Nothing. I was discussing which country is more free not your personal level of entitlement.

        Economic freedom.
        https://www.heritage.org/index/


        And it is infringed if you haven't noticed.
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          Originally posted by gregaquaman View Post
          Nothing. I was discussing which country is more free not your personal level of entitlement.

          Economic freedom.
          https://www.heritage.org/index/


          And it is infringed if you haven't noticed.
          And what does that post or conversation, other than your infringement comment, have to do with gun control being contentious?

          Do you know what thread you are in?

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            Originally posted by gregaquaman View Post
            I own no firearms. I spent three years in the reserves and carried one around for my job for a bit.
            So more training and expertise than is considered neccecary to be walking around with a gun.

            Because that would be zero training or expertise wouldn't it?
            So, seriously, because I respect the differences between our systems of government and history between the US and AUS.

            Firearms ownership and possession is considered, and has been ruled to be by our Supreme Court, an individual right.
            Not that the SCOTUS granted that right to anybody, it already existed, plainly, in the Bill of Rights of our Constitution.

            Apparently not so in AUS.

            Now, like any other right, it is possible to regulate that right, but the HUGE question here is when are such infringements constitutional ? Like registration/licensing/storage/testing/training requirements.

            We are still deciding these issues in the USA.
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              Originally posted by gregaquaman View Post
              Nothing. I was discussing which country is more free not your personal level of entitlement.

              Economic freedom.
              https://www.heritage.org/index/


              And it is infringed if you haven't noticed.
              S e e t h e

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                Rights are not without limits, speech or otherwise.
                Falling for Judo since 1980

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                  Originally posted by BKR View Post
                  Rights are not without limits, speech or otherwise.
                  SHALL

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                    Originally posted by BKR View Post
                    Rights are not without limits, speech or otherwise.
                    You’re not trying to say I can’t my tank, and cannon, right...?

                    Don’t breaka my heart, O orange one.
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                      Originally posted by BKR View Post
                      Rights are not without limits, speech or otherwise.
                      What makes them different to a privilege?

                      And because I bothered to hunt it down. Least corrupt governments.

                      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corr...ceptions_Index

                      Or what would make training, registration and research not still be a right?
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                        Originally posted by ghost55 View Post
                        SHALL
                        Yes, I know, but that isn't going to fly, for various reasons. All the other rights in the bill of rights have limits. Libel, etc., search and seizure have to have due process, etc.

                        I think all of them should be minimally limited, for sure.

                        But you know the unwashed masses will trade "security" for rights, so here we are.
                        Falling for Judo since 1980

                        "You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

                        "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

                        "Banning BKR is like kicking a Quokka. It's foolishness of the first order." - Raycetpfl

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                          Originally posted by BKR View Post
                          Yes, I know, but that isn't going to fly, for various reasons. All the other rights in the bill of rights have limits. Libel, etc., search and seizure have to have due process, etc.

                          I think all of them should be minimally limited, for sure.

                          But you know the unwashed masses will trade "security" for rights, so here we are.
                          Isn't rights fundamentally about security?
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                            Right vs Privilege

                            Originally posted by gregaquaman View Post
                            What makes them different to a privilege.

                            And because I bothered to hunt it down.

                            Least corrupt governments.

                            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corr...ceptions_Index
                            Well, you might start with a dictionary. Maybe a legal one ?

                            And in AUS, there might not be any significant difference for all I know.

                            https://www.encyclopedia.com/politic...ge-distinction

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privilege_(law)

                            https://legal-dictionary.thefreedict....com/privilege

                            That should get you started.
                            Falling for Judo since 1980

                            "You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

                            "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

                            "Banning BKR is like kicking a Quokka. It's foolishness of the first order." - Raycetpfl

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                              Originally posted by gregaquaman View Post
                              Isn't rights fundamentally about security?
                              Not sure, first inclination is to say "no", but it's not a total "no".

                              Why would that be an important distinction to you ?
                              Falling for Judo since 1980

                              "You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

                              "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

                              "Banning BKR is like kicking a Quokka. It's foolishness of the first order." - Raycetpfl

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                                Originally posted by BKR View Post
                                Well, you might start with a dictionary. Maybe a legal one ?

                                And in AUS, there might not be any significant difference for all I know.

                                https://www.encyclopedia.com/politic...ge-distinction

                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privilege_(law)

                                https://legal-dictionary.thefreedict....com/privilege

                                That should get you started.
                                There might not be any significant difference.

                                "A constitutional privilege is defensive, but it may be asserted as of right. Thus there is not necessarily a diminution of the right against self-incrimination when that right is called ".
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