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    Originally posted by Nutcracker, sweet! View Post
    As I understand, less than <.05%, or less than 3 Sigma, depending on the school of thought. Shit that's on the fringes of the bell curve. .01% definitely qualifies, if you're talking about the composition of the atmosphere. I drew that distinction when talking about the (depending on which source you read) up to 40% increase in atmospheric CO2 since the dawn of the industrial era.

    (edit) sorry for the misread, I defined statistical insignificance. Just take the inverse of that :)

    In b4 Rabbit... shit that exceeds |3σ|
    Well, I was wondering...

    Thanks for a real answer. Knew I could count on you.
    Last edited by BKR; 12/11/2019 9:36pm, .
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      Magnetic pole shift is increasingly more likely, it seems:
      https://sputniknews.com/science/2019...wich-meridian/

      Originally posted by tfa
      Furthermore, a weakened magnetic field may lead to a potentially cataclysmic process scientists call a “geomagnetic reversal,” in which the Earth’s north and south poles effectively switch places. The last such flip is estimated to have taken place about 800,000 years ago, and some scientists believe that another may be due soon, even though such an event could take centuries to complete.
      You know what else happened 800,000 years ago? The global atmospheric CO2 average was over 400ppm.

      https://www.climatecentral.org/news/...nt-exist-15938
      Originally posted by tofa
      studies show a wide date range from between 800,000 to 15 million years ago
      Consider for a moment that there is no meme about brown-haired, brown-eyed step children.

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        Originally posted by Nutcracker, sweet! View Post
        Magnetic pole shift is increasingly more likely, it seems:
        https://sputniknews.com/science/2019...wich-meridian/



        You know what else happened 800,000 years ago? The global atmospheric CO2 average was over 400 ppm.

        https://www.climatecentral.org/news/...nt-exist-15938


        OK, but we are already around 400 ppm now, and there has been no magnetic reversal. Maybe one is in the works, though. But invoking causation is going to be difficult.

        Some folks are trying, though. If geomagnetic reversals are related to climate change, then the current global warming (whatever you want to say causes it), might offset a global cooling due to low sunspot activity/geomagnetic reversals (which may increase the amount of cosmic radiation reaching the earth?). http://euanmearns.com/cosmic-rays-ma...limate-change/

        The geomagnetic reversals happen on a scale of millions of years...
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          Originally posted by BKR View Post
          How many more deaths would be statisticly significant?

          Relative to other causes of death?
          I've got a better way of phrasing your question, without having to rely on p-values and sigmas etc.:

          Do you believe the AGW-induced climate crisis in Nepal et al. is stochastic (i.e. random)? Because that's why we use the term "statistical relevance".

          If not, doesn't that also apply to the litany of other existing AGW costs that can be counted already and have been posted in the thread?

          If yes...don't answer yes.
          '�I am no advocate of passivity,� Coffin Mott said in an 1860 speech. �Quakerism, as I understand it, does not mean quietism. The early Friends were agitators; disturbers of the peace; and were more obnoxious in their day to charges, which are now so freely made, than we are.�'

          My Glossary: https://www.bullshido.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=129294

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            Originally posted by Nutcracker, sweet! View Post
            You know what else happened 800,000 years ago? The global atmospheric CO2 average was over 400ppm.
            This news won't mean much to people fleeing the Florida coastlines before 2050, given the current data.

            The lost future dollars though, in terms of real estate and development...that's the real story.

            Unless of course, you live in Nepal and AGW is destroying your country with water and energy.
            '�I am no advocate of passivity,� Coffin Mott said in an 1860 speech. �Quakerism, as I understand it, does not mean quietism. The early Friends were agitators; disturbers of the peace; and were more obnoxious in their day to charges, which are now so freely made, than we are.�'

            My Glossary: https://www.bullshido.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=129294

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              Originally posted by BKR View Post
              OK, but we are already around 400 ppm now, and there has been no magnetic reversal. Maybe one is in the works, though. But invoking causation is going to be difficult.

              Some folks are trying, though. If geomagnetic reversals are related to climate change, then the current global warming (whatever you want to say causes it), might offset a global cooling due to low sunspot activity/geomagnetic reversals (which may increase the amount of cosmic radiation reaching the earth?). http://euanmearns.com/cosmic-rays-ma...limate-change/

              The geomagnetic reversals happen on a scale of millions of years...
              Interesting read. Thank you.
              Consider for a moment that there is no meme about brown-haired, brown-eyed step children.

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                Offshore Wind Farms in Blighty

                Looks like the Brits have actually accomplished something...

                https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/busin...arm/index.html


                USA version:
                https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/13/us-h...to-change.html
                Falling for Judo since 1980

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                "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

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                  So, this is interesting. They also see plankton blooms downwind of erupting volcanoes where the volcanic ash falls out into the ocean.
                  https://www.newsweek.com/enormous-ba...-belly-1442272

                  It also ties in with a situation off of the west coast of Canada (BC to be specific), where the Haida, who traditionally depended a lot of salmon (and herring, particularly herring eggs) for sustenance. The Haida have a separate fisheries program. They hired a guy to help them. He suggested fertilizing offshore with I believe phosphorus, the critical path nutrient for plankton. So the Haido did that, and the salmon runs got better.

                  The BC and I think Canadian governments got very pissed off at the Haida. For interfering in a natural process (the salmon not doing as well because the bottom of the food chain was suffering due to low nutrients in the ocean). They shut the Haida down. Damned crackers...

                  Anyway, here is the ocean fertilization wiki, with mention of the Haida thing.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_fertilization

                  Iron Sulphate plus or minus phosphate, easy peasy.

                  This is an easy thing we should be doing, and, also, something that is not modeled in climate models, I bet, because of the episodic nature of volcanism.

                  I am thinking plankton as a carbon sink is in the model somewhere.

                  The dead plankton, though, might cause an anoxic layer, but the ocean is pretty damned deep, and lots of little things at phytoplankton.

                  TLDR: Plant trees, fertilize plankton
                  Falling for Judo since 1980

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                  "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

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                    You're gonna love this one, honeydripper.

                    Discovering the limits of ecological resilience
                    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/367/6478/626
                    '�I am no advocate of passivity,� Coffin Mott said in an 1860 speech. �Quakerism, as I understand it, does not mean quietism. The early Friends were agitators; disturbers of the peace; and were more obnoxious in their day to charges, which are now so freely made, than we are.�'

                    My Glossary: https://www.bullshido.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=129294

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                      The scale and complexity...
                      https://eos.org/science-updates/hack...-collaboration
                      Falling for Judo since 1980

                      "You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

                      "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

                      "Banning BKR is like kicking a Quokka. It's foolishness of the first order." - Raycetpfl

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                        Regarding climate models. https://phys.org/news/2020-07-climate.html
                        Falling for Judo since 1980

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                        "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

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                          interesting stuff on SNOPES.

                          https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/08/...limate-change/
                          Falling for Judo since 1980

                          "You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

                          "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

                          "Banning BKR is like kicking a Quokka. It's foolishness of the first order." - Raycetpfl

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                            " CO2 emissions 'will delay next ice age by 100,000 years"

                            https://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...-a6810436.html


                            So its not all bad news then.
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                              Originally posted by PDA View Post
                              " CO2 emissions 'will delay next ice age by 100,000 years"

                              https://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...-a6810436.html


                              So its not all bad news then.
                              Yeah. Like school shootings prevent teen pregnancies. Could be worse, they could have gone to planned parenthood. /s
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                                Originally posted by Dung Beatles View Post

                                Yeah. Like school shootings prevent teen pregnancies. Could be worse, they could have gone to planned parenthood. /s
                                Spoken like a true Antifa insurgent
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