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    Originally posted by ghost55 View Post
    I think it's a $10 fee each time. Thankfully Oregon is still free from that shit so I don't have to deal with it.
    Na just $1 based on my reading. But back to Portland, what are your thoughts on the recent GVRT controversy ? Ive been following that closely, seems to be part of the issue with guns in Portland, conflation with gang violence and racial profiling. I think whenever these things get mixed in with gun control efforts, everyone loses. People see loose guns, street gang presence, and pictures of shot up baby car seats an lose their mfing minds. I don't really blame them either.

    https://www.portlandoregon.gov/polic....cfm?id=219945

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      Originally posted by Jefe616 View Post
      There are millions of Dem voters in that big red block. Dem and indie voters in Oregon outnumber gop voters 2:1 across the state. Portland only has about 600,000 people, to the states 2,700,000+. If you do the math, clearly a lot of Indies are the ones making eastern Oregon a gop leaning district. But the gun problem in Oregon is an urban issue, and it's recent. So obviously the urban areas is going to lean blue, but I still don't see why anyone would equate that to state Dems not supporting rural zones. Clearly both Dems and hop have supporters all over, with some areas having certain pet issues (city - gun control). These red/blue maps are a big part of the problem...it's not that simple imo. Some areas just need more gun control (or as I sometimes call it, fun control). Common sense.
      Millions of Dem voters. In the least populous parts of a state with a population under 4m. What the fuck are you on about?

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        Source for Gun Violence Information/Data

        I ran across this today. Good stuff...
        https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/about
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          Originally posted by BKR View Post
          I ran across this today. Good stuff...
          https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/about
          The claim of neutrality is dubious. That website is notorious for shoddy or intentionally biased incident reporting.
          "No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal

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            Supreme Court Firearms Rights Cases

            So it looks like there are 3 coming up.

            One in NYC, one in NJ, and one in Connecticut.

            https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...-deadly-summer

            New York City https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...-gun-ordinance
            The most immediate matter involves a New York City ordinance that placed severe limitations on transporting handguns that are locked and unloaded. The high court agreed in January to take up the dispute between three residents and the city government, marking the first time since 2010 — when it struck down Chicago’s handgun ban — the Supreme Court would hear a Second Amendment case.

            New Jersey...
            https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketP...20Petition.pdf

            A New Jersey matter, for instance, involves a requirement that people seeking a permit to carry guns outside the home demonstrate a “justifiable need.”

            Thomas Rogers, a New Jersey resident who operates an ATM business that takes him to high-crime areas, and the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs challenged the permitting requirements, and urged the high court to intervene “to prevent the lower courts from nullifying rights guaranteed by the text of the Constitution.”

            Connecticut
            https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...on-court-rules
            I added the bold for emphasis. I'm wondering what set of facts they have that support that contention.

            A third case looming before the Supreme Court involves a gun manufacturer: Remington Arms Company asked the justices last week to consider its appeal in a lawsuit filed by families of nine victims of the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, in 2012.


            Gunman Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster XM-15 rifle in the attack, killing 27, and victims' relatives sued Remington, which owns Bushmaster, in Connecticut state court in 2014. The gun manufacturer, they said, “knowingly marketed, advertised, and promoted” the gun “for civilians to use to carry out offensive, military-style combat missions against their perceived enemies” in violation of Connecticut law.
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            "You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

            "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

            "Banning BKR is like kicking a Quokka. It's foolishness of the first order." - Raycetpfl

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              State Level Firearm Concealed-Carry Legislation and Rates of Homocide...

              So, while reading through citations in the "response to mootness" filing
              https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketP...opposition.pdf by NYC, to the SCOTUS regarding carry restrictions in NYC, I ran across this citation.


              State Level Firearm Concealed-Carry Legislation and Rates of Homicide and Other Violent Crime

              https://www.journalacs.org/article/S...074-X/fulltext
              Falling for Judo since 1980

              "You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

              "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

              "Banning BKR is like kicking a Quokka. It's foolishness of the first order." - Raycetpfl

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                Originally posted by BKR View Post
                I ran across this today. Good stuff...
                https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/about
                https://www.researchgate.net/profile...it-Appears.pdf
                Falling for Judo since 1980

                "You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

                "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

                "Banning BKR is like kicking a Quokka. It's foolishness of the first order." - Raycetpfl

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                  Originally posted by BKR View Post
                  So, while reading through citations in the "response to mootness" filing
                  https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketP...opposition.pdf by NYC, to the SCOTUS regarding carry restrictions in NYC, I ran across this citation.


                  State Level Firearm Concealed-Carry Legislation and Rates of Homicide and Other Violent Crime

                  https://www.journalacs.org/article/S...074-X/fulltext


                  We might need to make this into a t-shirt:

                  Originally posted by ACS
                  Conclusions
                  This study demonstrated no statistically significant association between the liberalization of state level firearm carry legislation over the last 30 years and the rates of homicides or other violent crime. Policy efforts aimed at injury prevention and the reduction of firearm-related violence should likely investigate other targets for potential intervention
                  Consider for a moment that there is no meme about brown-haired, brown-eyed step children.

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                    "Mass Shootings" Spur Increase in Pistol Sales and Concealed Carry Permit Application

                    Petrified by shooting sprees, shoppers turn to handguns and concealed-carry permits

                    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/alarmed-by-shooting-sprees-shoppers-turn-to-handguns-concealed-carry-permits?utm_source=browser_push&utm_medium=onesign al&utm_campaign=push_notifications


                    The pair of mass shootings this month in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, have pushed the regulation of firearms, whether on store shelves or in the homes of private individuals, back into the national spotlight.

                    At the same time, in weapons shops around the country, the tragedies have drawn new customers rushing to buy handguns and sign up for concealed-carry classes out of fear that one day, they may have to protect themselves in a mass shooting.

                    Falling for Judo since 1980

                    "You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

                    "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

                    "Banning BKR is like kicking a Quokka. It's foolishness of the first order." - Raycetpfl

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                      Originally posted by BKR View Post
                      Petrified by shooting sprees, shoppers turn to handguns and concealed-carry permits

                      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/alarmed-by-shooting-sprees-shoppers-turn-to-handguns-concealed-carry-permits?utm_source=browser_push&utm_medium=onesign al&utm_campaign=push_notifications


                      The pair of mass shootings this month in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, have pushed the regulation of firearms, whether on store shelves or in the homes of private individuals, back into the national spotlight.

                      At the same time, in weapons shops around the country, the tragedies have drawn new customers rushing to buy handguns and sign up for concealed-carry classes out of fear that one day, they may have to protect themselves in a mass shooting.
                      Related, I think maybe already covered:
                      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...cealed-pistols


                      Consider for a moment that there is no meme about brown-haired, brown-eyed step children.

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                        Originally posted by submessenger View Post
                        Related, I think maybe already covered:
                        https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...cealed-pistols
                        Amazing, people will take advantage of the ability to protect themselves...

                        And are buying, getting carry permits, and training for the type of firearms most used to commit crimes.

                        The evil "Assault Handgun" that everyone is so frightened of, and that our illustrious "news" media reports so assiduously about.
                        Falling for Judo since 1980

                        "You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

                        "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

                        "Banning BKR is like kicking a Quokka. It's foolishness of the first order." - Raycetpfl

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                          I found an article about political views on gun control in the US: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...last-30-years/

                          Why was gun control more popular in the 90s? Did it become less popular as trust in institutions waned in the 2000s?
                          Lone Wolf McQuade Final Fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmrDe_mYUXg

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                            Originally posted by Wounded Ronin View Post
                            I found an article about political views on gun control in the US: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...last-30-years/



                            Why was gun control more popular in the 90s? Did it become less popular as trust in institutions waned in the 2000s?
                            It's hard to isolate a single variable, but the early 90s was definitely a heyday for gun control lobbyists. I think it is interesting to try to figure out why gun control is less popular today rather than more popular back then. My thoughts:
                            the pointless nature of the AWB woke a lot of people up, the NRA began using different tactics, shootingg sports with modern weapons have started to take off, we have several million veterans who have returned from combat in the past 19 years after having spent long periods of time with M4s, and people's trust in government/complacency in letting a centralized authority provide for self protection has eroded.

                            Also, 538 may be somewhat misreporting the current support for gun control. "Gun control" is a blanket label that doesn't really describe what the populace specifically supports (as in what measures specifically have support) and the Gallup question specifically polls with an eye toward a generic outcome instead of getting detailed with what measures are heavily supported. Polls that do get specific tend to bias the response because they have an agenda. Additionally support for gun control measures tends to wax and wane as a result of specific political campaigns (e.g. support for gun control spiked when it became a priority for the DNC) and lobbying (Bloomberg's actions tend to influence this the most of late, with everytown for gun safety/moms demand action, and his patronage of attorneys general who actively pursue a gun control/climate change agenda).

                            I think a more interesting timeline would be to draw support for gun control with specific notations of when lobbying $$$ and party platforms changed to emphasize/deemphasize it.

                            Ultimately people let key influencers lead them around by the nose with scare tactics, which is why anti immigration and anti-anti immigration are big things right now (because almost no one seems to be pro immigration at the moment). Or why nunchucks, ninja stars, and automatic knives are largely illegal to carry in the U.S.
                            "No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal

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                              Red flag laws at work, Florida edition.

                              No due process. Just give up your guns and permit, even though we know it's our mistake-

                              https://www.alloutdoor.com/2019/08/2...aken-identity/

                              Carter Hargrave's Jeet Can't Do

                              http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31636

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                                Another one in Texas

                                What the hell?

                                https://www.wmtw.com/article/police-...nfire/28879112

                                Texas police: At least 5 dead, including shooter, and at least 21 shot

                                Midland Mayor Jerry Morales said a Texas Department of Public Safety officer pulled over a vehicle on an interstate highway Saturday.

                                "That's when he shot the officer and then took off and started shooting randomly," Morales said.

                                The individual was driving one vehicle and at one point ditched that vehicle, taking over a United States Postal Service mail truck, Odessa Police Chief Michael Gerke said.

                                KOSA-TV reported that the public was urged to avoid Interstate 20 in Odessa, Midland and Big Spring as authorities searched for a person who shot several people. Gerke said multiple law enforcement officers were injured in the shooting.

                                The suspect was shot and killed at the Cinergy movie theater in Odessa, Gerke said.

                                Earlier, Midland police said the department believed there were two shooters in separate vehicles. But police couldn't confirm reports of a second individual in the attack.

                                There is no active shooter at this time, Midland police later said. The threat was believed to be contained, but police still advised people to take caution.
                                Carter Hargrave's Jeet Can't Do

                                http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31636

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