Captain America The Winter Soldier -- Official Marvel Trailer

[OZZ]

Great movie. Probably one of Marvel's best since this whole comic book film festival began.
Obviously, things from the original winter storyline were altered for the script to allow for the whole inner conspiracy thing. But I thought it was a good film, much better than the first Cap flick and definitely better than the Avengers.
The next Cap movie should shape up well if he is going to be pursuing the Winter Soldier.

[It is Fake]

Yeah we will disagree on it being better than the Avengers. It is in my top 5 of Marvel movies though.

Wasn't she introduced in the comics as a Russian spy at Stark Industries?

Yes she was an enemy of IronMan.

[ermghoti]

Just saw it. Wasn't super-impressed.

CGI was pretty spectacular, especially considering the scale and scope of the effects. They are getting really good at this stuff.

The sniping scene was appropriately startling.

I saw it in 3D, which was wonky at my theater. When things sped up, they got unglued from the background, sometimes moving choppily. Very intrusive, especially since...

...most of the action scenes are largely filmed in Bournevision, where the perspective is from inside a meter or so. Body parts flail about, the viewer gets minimal feel for what is occurring.

Cap takes about six obviously fatal falls. He is supposed to operate at the limits of human ability, falling hundreds of feet and walking away in fighting shape does not remotely conform.

Lots of people do stupid things in order to move scenes or plot points around.

They didn't miss a single action movie trope, and revisited most of them repeatedly.

It was moderately entertaining when viewed with a sympathetic eye, that's about the best I can rate it.

Just saw it. Wasn't super-impressed.

CGI was pretty spectacular, especially considering the scale and scope of the effects. They are getting really good at this stuff.

The sniping scene was appropriately startling.

I saw it in 3D, which was wonky at my theater. When things sped up, they got unglued from the background, sometimes moving choppily. Very intrusive, especially since...

...most of the action scenes are largely filmed in Bournevision, where the perspective is from inside a meter or so. Body parts flail about, the viewer gets minimal feel for what is occurring.

Cap takes about six obviously fatal falls. He is supposed to operate at the limits of human ability, falling hundreds of feet and walking away in fighting shape does not remotely conform.

Lots of people do stupid things in order to move scenes or plot points around.

They didn't miss a single action movie trope, and revisited most of them repeatedly.

It was moderately entertaining when viewed with a sympathetic eye, that's about the best I can rate it.

[Styygens]

Just saw it. Wasn't super-impressed.

Why do you hate Freedom?

CGI was pretty spectacular, especially considering the scale and scope of the effects. They are getting really good at this stuff.

The sniping scene was appropriately startling.

I saw it in 3D, which was wonky at my theater. When things sped up, they got unglued from the background, sometimes moving choppily. Very intrusive, especially since...

I'm finding 3D hit or miss. The first theater I saw it in was great, but at the second theater the screen looked dark and murky. I also didn't think 3D was necessary to my enjoyment -- but there wasn't much choice given my schedule.

...most of the action scenes are largely filmed in Bournevision, where the perspective is from inside a meter or so. Body parts flail about, the viewer gets minimal feel for what is occurring.

I wish the herky- jerky fight scene trend would end. I like to see the fight unfold. I'm sure the shaky-cam allows them to cover a myriad of sins made by the principle actors in the fight choreography. Still, I really liked the fight against Batroc and the Elevator.

Cap takes about six obviously fatal falls. He is supposed to operate at the limits of human ability, falling hundreds of feet and walking away in fighting shape does not remotely conform.

Cinematic U Cap and Ultimates Cap are both powered a bit beyond the original base for U-616 Cap. Rapid healing, super strength, handwavium... But, yeah... That fall from the elevator strained my credulity.

Lots of people do stupid things in order to move scenes or plot points around.

That's because some characters hate Freedom and do stupid things, causing Freedom-loving patriots to do equally stupid things to stop them.

They didn't miss a single action movie trope, and revisited most of them repeatedly.

It was moderately entertaining when viewed with a sympathetic eye, that's about the best I can rate it.

Again, that's because you obviously hate freedom. Is your name Sitwell? Just say it loud and proud, "Hail Hydra!"

[ermghoti]

Why do you hate Freedom?

Busted. Specifically, I haven't been enjoying action movies of late, but I did try to compare it to others in the genre.

I'm finding 3D hit or miss. The first theater I saw it in was great, but at the second theater the screen looked dark and murky. I also didn't think 3D was necessary to my enjoyment -- but there wasn't much choice given my schedule.

Agreed. I've only seen two neuvo-3D movies. In the Hobbit, it was well-implemented, but that just made it unobtrusive, and did not add to the experience.

I wish the herky- jerky fight scene trend would end. I like to see the fight unfold. I'm sure the shaky-cam allows them to cover a myriad of sins made by the principle actors in the fight choreography. Still, I really liked the fight against Batroc and the Elevator.

Batroc was good, wish he had been a recurring heavy instead of one-and-done. The elevator... I really would have been just as happy if after they showed that Cap had "made" the agents (and they could have with much less spoon-feeding, the audience was laughing about the third time the doors opened), they could have cut to the elevator opening from the hallway, full of spent bodies, then cut to the stupid deathleap.

Cinematic U Cap and Ultimates Cap are both powered a bit beyond the original base for U-616 Cap. Rapid healing, super strength, handwavium... But, yeah... That fall from the elevator strained my credulity.

Fair 'nough.

That's because some characters hate Freedom and do stupid things, causing Freedom-loving patriots to do equally stupid things to stop them.

"Don't trust anybody!"

"K."

"dies"

"Fuck!"

"Hi, I've been lying to you. Follow me."

"K."

I mean, it worked out, but he basically trusted FUCKING EVERYBODY.

Also: non-rifled sniper bullets? Jesus. It took me like five seconds to come up with "frangible sabot." Then they kept saying it.

Again, that's because you obviously hate freedom. Is your name Sitwell? Just say it loud and proud, "Hail Hydra!"

Can't right now, I've got a meeting with a 23 year old constituent.

[Styygens]

I know. Non-rifled sniper bullets? Not likely. But then again, the things the military industrial complex comes up with these days simply astound me. I mean, I would've explained the Fury shot as a thermal image scoped rail gun rifle. What do you think? 20 years out? Not out of scope for advanced SHIELD/HYDRA tech.

I just go with it now. I had my epiphany about that during the first GI Joe movie when they had to expose the nanobots to a centrifuge in order to weaponize them. At first I was all like: "Wha?" But then I realized I'd come to the movies to watch ninjas fighting each other while dodging bullets.

Let it go. I promise it will be more fun.

[It is Fake]

Cinematic U Cap and Ultimates Cap are both powered a bit beyond the original base for U-616 Cap. Rapid healing, super strength, handwavium... But, yeah... That fall from the elevator strained my credulity.

Golden/Bronze Age Cap does everything in the movie. They weakened him in the late 80s and nineties and made him a Batman Character with Superman Altruism. As to the elevator leap, you haven't read Captain America comics on a regular basis. The best part of the movie for me was watching all the nerdy crap straight from the comics. Yes, even his quick recovery from KOs. Heck Ultimate Cap is taken straight from the WWII original Cap from the use of guns to having no problem killing bad guys.

The only thing that was slightly off was getting shot.

[ghost55]

When it comes to costumes, the movies seem to be drawing a lot form the Ultimate universe.

[It is Fake]

When it comes to costumes, the movies seem to be drawing a lot form the Ultimate universe.

Hawkeye and Cap, the rest are much closer to the regular universe.

[It is Fake]

When it comes to costumes, the movies seem to be drawing a lot form the Ultimate universe.

Hawkeye and Cap, the rest are much closer to the regular universe.

[CNagy]

Speaking of Batroc: between the hair and the beard, I completely missed that it was GSP. I watched that movie twice thinking "why does this guy look so familiar?"

Speaking of Batroc: between the hair and the beard, I completely missed that it was GSP. I watched that movie twice thinking "why does this guy look so familiar?"

[Keslet]

Is the Agents of Shield TV show considered canon for the movie universe? They have one scene last season where a 'chemically enhanced' character (who is now becoming Deathlok) is shown training by pushing this gigantic piece of construction equipment down a field like its a football sled, then he asks the trainer if he beat Captain America's record (told "not even close")...was the Golden/Bronze age Cap that strong? Definitely superhuman...that thing weighed tons, and if I remember correctly it wasn't rolling down the field, he was using brute force...


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[OZZ]

Let it go. I promise it will be more fun.

Exactly. This is the attitude I started taking towards Marvel movies quite some time ago. If you don't, you will be consistently disappointed.
I think the reason I would rank this latest installment much higher than the previous one's is the fact that it at least attempts to take on a less adolescent tone.The subject matter is just a tad darker, themes of betrayal, the grey area between good and evil, freedom and its costs etc. are all touched upon.
At the very least it offers a bit of a commentary on some contemporary issues that are haunting the American public.
At the end of the day, the Winter Soldier movie may not capture the level of seriousness that the Brubaker scripts offer, but its not bad.
I thought it was neat that they inserted Batroc the Leaper into the storyline, and GSP was a good choice.
The Falcon character was updated and handled nicely as well. They even found room for a hint of his original occupation in the script. Fans of the Bronze Age will recall that Sam Wilson was introduced as a Harlem social worker in the early storylines.

I am wondering what the plans are for that SHIELD operative who betrays Cap and dukes it out with the Falcon. Did anyone catch his characters' name ? Are they planning on bringing him back as Deathlok or perhaps The Constrictor ?

[OZZ]

Ohhh..I just checked IMDB.
So that's their plan..

[It is Fake]

Yep, like that they gave his back story now instead of in the next movie. Cool and sneaky. Yep, learned long ago to only get mad when they royally screw something up, like Venom in Spiderman 3.


Oh and they introduced Dethlok in the TV show.

if he beat Captain America's record (told "not even close")...was the Golden/Bronze age Cap that strong? Definitely superhuman...that thing weighed tons, and if I remember correctly it wasn't rolling down the field, he was using brute force...

Cap was able to knock the Hulk Down, sling humans around and do many of the things you see in the new movie. They used to have "street level" characters in the 90s. So, he became enhanced, but not super strong. He was relegated to Daredevil, Black Panther, Shang Chi and Iron Fist level characters. Then the Ultimates took him back to original levels and it bled back into the regular universe.