Captain America The Winter Soldier -- Official Marvel Trailer

[W. Rabbit]

[Holy Moment]

The first Captain America movie suffered a bit because it had to be tied with the Avengers plot line, and because they pussed out and went with HYDRA instead of Nazis. Those Cosmic Cube Weapons made the dieselpunk less cool.

I have to say, though, so far I'm digging The Trial of the Incredible Hulk.

[It is Fake]

The first Captain America movie suffered a bit because it had to be tied with the Avengers plot line,

I disagree because the tie was so small it was negligible.

and because they pussed out and went with HYDRA instead of Nazis. Those Cosmic Cube Weapons made the dieselpunk less cool.

This was the real problem.

[Holy Moment]

I disagree because the tie was so small it was negligible.

This was the real problem.

The Cosmic Cube problem was the problem I was talking about when I mentioned the Avengers tie-in.

[It is Fake]

The Cosmic Cube problem was the problem I was talking about when I mentioned the Avengers tie-in.

LOL. Then we really disagree.


The Red Skull is tied to the Cosmic Cube, like The Infinity Gauntlet is tied to Thanos. So, for me, tying it to the Avengers is what irritated me. That and changing it from a wish fulfilling device to a tesseract.

[slamdunc]

they pussed out and went with HYDRA instead of Nazis.

The thing I remember and ejnoy the most was Captain America kicking nazi ass; to me, that was his purpose in life.

[Neo Sigma]

I'm really not sure how I feel after watching the trailer. It has its moments, but something about it bothers me. Like they're trying to cram in so many "badass" things into the movie that they're going to hit critical mass and become stupid instead.

[Holy Moment]

That and changing it from a wish fulfilling device to a tesseract.

Well that was the problem I had with it. They turned the Cube into a MacGuffin of sorts and sullied the dieselpunk feel they could've gone for by having their tanks shoot blue lasers.

[PointyShinyBurn]

The production design in general was really underwhelming and half-arsed, I thought. Awesome glowing valves and relays should have abounded, but instead it was this completely generic Hollywood SciFi shit. The whole thing went to basically tedious action-mode after the first half and other than the train bit the choreography was crap.

[Diesel_tke]

I liked it. I dig all of these new movies that have been coming out.

[Kovacs]

The production design in general was really underwhelming and half-arsed, I thought. Awesome glowing valves and relays should have abounded, but instead it was this completely generic Hollywood SciFi shit. The whole thing went to basically tedious action-mode after the first half and other than the train bit the choreography was crap.

Same for me. I liked the set up but the action sequences where pretty poor, particularly the later scenes.

[Keslet]

I'm not too up on how Captain America was portrayed in the actual WW2 era comics...my problem with how he's coming off in the movies relates more to my understanding of him from the 70's on...he was supposed to be this amazing combatant who was a master of combat arts (it was the 70's after all). I mean, he was always supposed to be stronger and faster than a typical man, but not really superhuman...the real power he had was in his fighting ability. In the comics he could come out on top against actual supervillains because he was THAT GOOD.

In the first movie they juice him up with the super soldier serum (which is inline with origin story), then he spends a big chunk of time as a figurehead. They don't really show him training as a real soldier...he just runs off to do it. (At least that's my recollection). They go on to a montage of him fighting Hydra and Nazis, but it doesn't amount to a whole lot. In the Avengers, Tony Stark says something to the effect of 'everything special about you came out of a bottle', or words to that effect. If all u knew was the movie version of Cap that comment sorta rings true.

[The Cap]

Hold up, where was GSP?

[Holy Moment]

Yeah, they really should've spent some time on his training. We saw him struggling in boot camp before he got the serum, and that was pretty much it. It felt like there were some major scenes missing in between the time he spent as a mascot and the time he spent fighting HYDRA.

A lot of superhero origin movies have this problem where the first half is a well-done character story and the second half devolves into action schlock, because it's mandatory that the hero has to square off against a villain even if they don't have time to develop that part of the story. Captain America: The First Avenger probably illustrated that the best.

[Holy Moment]

Anybody watching Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.? Marvel's got, like, six TV shows planned: Cloak and Dagger, The Punisher, Mockingbird, Jessica Jones, Agent Carter (From the Captain America movie), and the Hulk.

My hope is that all these shows are handled poorly and that the genre goes brutally out-of-style, relegating superheroes to children and socially-impotent melvins once again. Then I can finally be at peace reading unbought back issues of Adam Warlock in the failing comic book store forty minutes from where I live.