gay marriage

[battlefields]

As someone has wisely said previously (paraphrased): of course gay people should have the right to marry, they should be given the same opportunity to be miserable.

[battlefields]

Or an even better (paraphrased) joke on marriage from someone far funnier than me:
What if the concept of marriage didn't exist and someone had to invent it? Sitting there one day holding hands, looking deeply, lovingly in their partners eyes and saying, "baby, we have something great here, I love you so very much, I think we need to get the government in on this arrangement".

[Diesel_tke]

I'm not suggesting that the government should keep your money. I'm suggesting that you shouldn't give it to them in the first place. Then if you die and your wife starves, it's your fault.

Well, that's a different issue. That hypothetical should get a different thread.

[DCS]

Meanwhile in France...


Riot police clash with protesters in Paris as 300,000 take to the streets to demonstrate against gay marriage

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2ROWTKCoJ
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[It is Fake]

Glad to see, despite the media, we don't have a lock on idiocy. To hear our media, you'd think it was only the middle east and America against gay right.

[Mr. Machette]

Man, I haven't got the energy to spare for hating on the gay folk.

Most of the ones I know are great people, good friends and generally credits to society.

Sure there's some assholes out there, but you get those in any group. I mean, gay people certainly have no monopoly on being cunts;

[Lindz]

I'm fine with gay marriage, if a voting population or a legislature enacts a law, dandy. The people arguing against it are bigots, and their arguments are shitty.

I also think it's not inherently discriminatory not to have gay marriage. Marriage is a prehistoric social contract developed to address the biological and societal differences between men and women, and a way to establish the paternity of heirs. Really, in a world with DNA testing and birth control, marriage serves little public interest, and is mainly a way to share health insurance between couples.

Arguing against gay marriage: bigotry.

Installing gay marriage by judicial fiat: overstepping the division of powers (in the US).

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/arc...f-all-lawsuits

who's the lady in the rainbow dress they kept cutting back to?

[ermghoti]

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/arc...f-all-lawsuits

who's the lady in the rainbow dress they kept cutting back to?

No idea. Visiting ill loved ones is not in the state's interest, so again, marriage wouldn't be an issue here. If the hospital decided to ignore the power of attorney, the hicks could have ignored a wedding ring too, so again, no advantage.

[Omega Supreme]

I don't believe in gay marriage. I was gay before I got married and I became miserable. Then my daughter was born and I was gay again, then she became a little shit, now I'm sad. Gay marriage is an oxymoron....

(What do you mean not that type of gay?)

[Omega Supreme]

BTW while I don't have a problem with homosexuals joining together to live the rest of their lives I'd be more than happy to engage in a small debate on gay marriage for the sake of enlightenment.

[erezb]

I just wish i could marry to a different faith in my country..unfortunately religion holds us captive.
In Israel you can't legally marry out side your faith. Muslim with Muslim jew with jew etc. You have to go out side your fucking own country to get a license and than they will recognize it.
Gays can get married out side and than they will be recognized as "common law" and get some of the rights married ppl get.
Next month im flying to Cyprus to get married to my fiance after 5.5 years together.
She isn't jewish under archaic jew laws. So the fact that she was an officer and served for over 10 years her country has zero influence.
So you see guys, some people can't even get married in their country even when strait.
Oh, after many years of crying about it, they passed this fucked up law that states that people of no faith can marry each other in israel. So...get this, you need to go get a proof that you are not either a muslim,jew or xtian and than and only than can you get a civilian ceremony. Sweet.
Well at least we got a sweet deal, and some 50 ppl are going to be there with us, only close friends and family..hope it would be fun for them..

[jspeedy]

I my experience, most people who don't want gay marriage don't know how to seperate their religious opinions from their legal opinions. And when you point that out, they feel backed into a corner and argue that law is based on God's laws or the 10 commandments or something like that. "In God we trust" gets thrown in the mix. Stuff like that.

I called in on a radio recently about this issue. The radio speaker was arguing against gay marage based on those same points. He was calling on his Christianity as justification. He challenged any Christian to call in and justify gay marriage. So I called in, told him that I'm a Christian and also agree with gay marriage. He tried to back me into a religious corner. I simply explained to him that I think it should be legal to Marry whoever you want, and that you should use your religion or morals to dictate if YOU would marry a gay, but not what another person would do based on their morals, values, or religion.

He was stumped, and said thanks for the opinion, then hung up on me. He dropped the issue on the air after that.

So far the Devil is the only person that I have heard argue that someone should be denied the ability to marry just so that we can justify denying them Socaial Security. That's an interesting arguement. But since there are more heterosexual marriages then gay, I would think that the better cost saving measure would be to allow gay marriage and deny hetero marriage.

Funny thing about people who blast the "in God we trust" argument; most of them aren't aware that "in God we trust' is a relatively new addition to the pledge and paper money, it's been on certain coins off and on since the mid to late 1800s. The point is none of the "in god we trust" stuff had anything to do with our founding fathers. It was added after the fact in the 1950s to the pledge to polarize against the communists who were associated with atheism and religious oppression; essentially it was propaganda. I have no problem with the phrase in our pledge or on our money but I do see it brought up in arguments about religious freedom and gay rights frequently (by some Christians) and people should realize where the phrase came from.

[W. Rabbit]

Meanwhile in France...
Riot police clash with protesters in Paris as 300,000 take to the streets to demonstrate against gay marriage

That story is from last month. That was the angry 0.75% of the electorate in Paris protesting the draft version of the law that passed overwhelmingly yesterday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/24/wo...iage.html?_r=0

[goodlun]

Yeah, that would work fine for that aspect, or if both individuals worked. I personally like the idea that if I die, and my wife had been a homemaker, all my money I paid into the governemt would go to my wife rather than just getting eaten by the government machine.

You can do what I have done for my homemaker wife and daughter, I took out a hefty insurance policy that will take care of them.

[Azatdawn]

BTW while I don't have a problem with homosexuals joining together to live the rest of their lives I'd be more than happy to engage in a small debate on gay marriage for the sake of enlightenment.

What exactly is it that you'd like to debate?