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    What is the best way to get past stiff arms when you are attempting to pass guard? They're generally pushing at my knees or sometimes hips. Sometimes I can sit through to kesa gatame while controlling that arm, but I'm not a big kesa fan. Is controlling the arm and going to knee on belly good? I always forget to try that out when it's happening.
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    #2
    be sure to control their head/upper body as you come around their legs
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      #3
      Superman guard pass.

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        #4
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          #5
          I'm talking about the "basic" guard pass, where one arm is on the shoulder and you're controlling the other leg. I grip the collar around the throat area with the arm that has its leg on the shoulder. Any other grips recommended? I kept getting past the guard and then being put right back in it because of the damn stiff arming. I could take mount, but I don't like mount. I'd end up taking it, then trying to transition back to side control, and then getting put back in guard in the transition.
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            #6
            Wrist lock.

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              #7
              The traditional throw I've seen in judo(where you put your foot in his stomach and do a backwards somersalt while holding on to his wrists)may work. I hope I described it well enough. or, if it's allowed, grab his left wrist w/your left hand and scoop your right underneath his left arm and put your shoulder underneath that arm, locking the arm and bend and step forward at the same time. REverse the arm/hand position if you are a lefty.

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                #8
                Originally posted by JurassicWarrior
                The traditional throw I've seen in judo(where you put your foot in his stomach and do a backwards somersalt while holding on to his wrists)may work. I hope I described it well enough. or, if it's allowed, grab his left wrist w/your left hand and scoop your right underneath his left arm and put your shoulder underneath that arm, locking the arm and bend and step forward at the same time. REverse the arm/hand position if you are a lefty.

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                  #9
                  [email protected]'s last post. I dont think that guy was serious man.

                  You can go for a canopener also. Just cup your hands and grap the back of his head, close to the top, and pull his chin to his chest. At the least his arms will get off your hips, going instead to defend his neck and head. If that doesn't open his legs you at least can grab his biceps and create space to work on passing.

                  An even BETTER question would be the defense against the "stiff one-eye".
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                    #10
                    Mikus,
                    The best counter is the "earthquake". Say you're coming around to his right with your left hand grabbing his collar and he blocks your hip. Shake your hips (i.e. turn the plain of your hips) and your opponent shouldn't be able to continue blocking your pass. I'm not sure if this makes sense - it's hard to describe in writing.

                    P.S Make sure you drive his knee to his nose before moving to the side which should make it more uncomfortable for him and not allow him to turn into you and block your hip as effectively.

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                      #11
                      Aren't these names cute?

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                        #12
                        Blame Rigan Machado, he made that name up !

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                          #13
                          Okay, next time I see him I'll harass him.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by JohnnyS
                            Mikus,
                            The best counter is the "earthquake". Say you're coming around to his right with your left hand grabbing his collar and he blocks your hip. Shake your hips (i.e. turn the plain of your hips) and your opponent shouldn't be able to continue blocking your pass. I'm not sure if this makes sense - it's hard to describe in writing.

                            P.S Make sure you drive his knee to his nose before moving to the side which should make it more uncomfortable for him and not allow him to turn into you and block your hip as effectively.
                            Cool, thanks a lot.

                            And PD didn't read the question well either! hahaha. no one pays attention.
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                              #15
                              Johnny, if I'm coming around to his right, I turn my hips clockwise, right? I actually tried this sometimes (though admittedly, not as much as I should've) and it'd get his hand off for a second or two but then he'd put it back. Am I doing something wrong or is it a matter of getting the pin the second that he loses the hand?

                              Tim Cartmell shows using a "reverse" knee on belly mount (you use the opposite knee that you normally do) when coming around the guard at times, and then spinning around for a normal knee on belly. Do you recommend that at all?
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