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Orlando Lasso
9/01/2010 4:16pm,
Hi guys, I'm just wondering what type of kick this is and when you could use it. It looks like a crescent kick, but wouldn't you basically just be throwing your leg into their guard?

YouTube- Taekkyun #12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9p9NK5ijtw)

They do it at the 5:00 minute mark.

9/01/2010 11:46pm,
It has a few different names in Korean depending on which association you ask. It's usually called a twist kick in English. In this video it's the second kick demonstrated (called 째차기 / jjaechagi back then)

YouTube- Taekkyon - chutes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2uRoHv02Dc&p=B045B2A3B68487B6)

The stuff in the video you posted is "Dongyi Taekkyon." It's made up. The guy who teaches it makes the predictable claim that he learned it from a mysterious hermit in the mountains, when it's pretty clear that he just cobbled it together himself.

The legitimate associations were started by people who learned from Song Duk-ki, who you can see here:

YouTube- Song Duk Ki demo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jny_9-y2DHA)

9/02/2010 12:57am,
I don't like the kick, but it's not complete b.s. either. It's deceptive and can set up other techniques.

YouTube- Karate Swing Kick by Nishimura (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFLhJSTXw9E)

twisted mind
10/22/2010 4:46pm,
At my school, we call that an inverted kick and I use it as a set up kick for combos. I will say that I throw that kick at the midsection and not at the head level, mostly due to the fact that I'm not as flexible as the guys in the video. It is a pretty descent kick to have in your arsenal but it is not an overly powerful kick.

10/22/2010 5:28pm,
one of the first kicks i learned when i started taekkyeon. quickly came a favorite. i like using it at TKD sparring and seeing the perplexed an pissed off look on opponents faces.

the Master of Dong Yi is fairly respected as an artist but the Dong Yi thing is well known to be questionable, and Dong Yi guys routinely get thier asses kicked

at Taekkyeon battles. seems like they only good for demonstrations.

10/23/2010 8:45am,
It looks like what was called a "reverse roundhouse kick" long ago back in my Shotokan days.

It was more a specialty sparring technique - as stated not so much power - and I was a natural at it - unlike my roundhouse kicks. Go figure. :eusa_thin

6/20/2011 3:31am,
does it work? yes.
But, in competition, the trajectory would be almost straight, like a front kick, so it's extremly difficult to block. It's one of my favorite kicks, and it works on taekkyon practioners and other styles as well.

does it hurt? yes.
Although it's not as powerful as the good old roundhouse kick, I've frequently seen it bloody people mouths, and break teeths. On rare occasions it even knocks people out.

6/21/2011 9:04am,
in Soo Bahk Do that's called a Peet Chagi or reverse roundhouse,

not saying it is massively effective but it is quick, comes from an unexpected angle and guys i know who can execute it well do get a suprising amount of power behind it

6/21/2011 3:16pm,
I've learned that since Korean culture encourages people to sit cross legged on the floor, the pelvis is better suited for such inverted kicks.

6/29/2011 1:40pm,
Where did you come across that information?

6/30/2011 12:12am,
Where did you come across that information?

I learnt that from one of my classes from Master Do Gi Hyun
A student asked why Taekkyon has the 'inverted kick', that was one of the theories he explained.

Although I think it's partially right, I think the second reason that Master Do explained is more believable: the proximity of taekkyon matches. Traditionally, taekkyon matches were held on 'a straw mat', which in modern times roughly translates to 2*2 judo mats. Taekkyon fighters were confined to a tight spot, so the inverted kick which has a shorter range than the roundhouse is a more practical choice.

Orlando Lasso
2/08/2012 2:23am,
I had another question about using a kick like that. When would you use it? It seems like you have to wind up a bit to give it power, so your opponent can see what you're about to do. It seems a lot slower than an inverted kick where you chamber your leg. I'm not sure what the chambered kick is called, but it's different than a hook kick or crescent kick. To me, it looks like the mirror image of a roundhouse.

2/09/2012 7:57pm,
I have successfully used the twist kick when directly facing an opponent who was moving in toward me when he was in a southpaw stance and I was in a regular stance. he came in and I nailed him right in the face with it because he wasn't expecting a kick coming from that angle.

I another situation (at a karate tournament) I used it to fake the opponent. He was also standing southpaw while I was left forward. In that case I threw the kick expecting him to throw his guard down to block.

Meanwhile I was prepared with a vertical straight punch which I threw at his head and connected with; I was immediately called for excessive contact though so no point on that one. Luckily he had just totally wasted a guy's nose in the previous match and did not get DQ'ed for it so I was also not DQ'ed for my excessive contact which made his nose bleed just a bit :)

I tippy tappy ATA sparring I have used it to kick to the stomach followed by re-chambering and rolling the hips over for a high round kick which usually works as well for that type of sparring, though I would not use it that way if the match was serious at all.

Orlando Lasso
2/09/2012 11:54pm,
Thanks for the response. I'm kinda confused. I found both kicks in this silly video for Taekkyon.

At 1:45, is she doing the twist kick, or is that called something else? That one seems relatively fast to snap out.
At 1:54, the kick is different because she's not chambering her leg. I'm wondering how that kick would be used without giving yourself away. It seems sort of like a crescent kick where you swing the whole leg. There's also a video of a guy teaching that kick in a dojo, but it still seems like a slow kick.

I hear you about point fighting. I also got disqualified last time after traveling to Toronto for the Karate Nationals. I got a video of my fight, even if the angle is kinda bad, you can still tell it was BS I was disqualified. I get that it's point fighting, but I barely made any contact.


2/10/2012 8:59am,
I learnt that from one of my classes from Master Do Gi Hyun
A student asked why Taekkyon has the 'inverted kick', that was one of the theories he explained.
The reason why I asked is that I have never heard about that before and talking with my wife and some of our Korean friends neither have they. Perhaps it is something that was stressed in the dojang. Thanks for the info.

2/11/2012 7:56pm,
I would say that any time you do not chamber with a bent knee and the outside of your leg as close to parallel to the floor as you can get it your are doing something besides what is commonly called the twist(ing) kick.

In his book "the Complete Master's Kick" He Il Cho describes the kick as follows:
(From a left leg forward stance of some kind)
"shift your balance onto the left (forward) leg
torque your waist to the left
cock you right leg at a perpendicular angle to your right (kicking leg) side with your lower leg as parallel to the floor as possible, extended over your balance leg.

keeping your right leg bent quickly torque your hips to the right (clockwise), and using the quadriceps muscles as well as the gastrocnemius muscles in your lower leg, snap the right leg out at the last moment"

The striking surface should be the ball of the foot.

this is me now:
The overall kick is something like an angled out front kick with slight modifications and with a lot of practice can be pretty quick. I have typically been able to surprise people when I have used it. So I think that any time someone is doing a straight legged kick it is more like an outer crescent or possibly an axe kick.

Something to note about the outer crescent is that when practiced on a heavy bag it may resemble a twist kick since you probably cannot fire it clear through the bag but will instead be forced to allow it to travel on a similar return path as the path on which it was thrown.

If it was attempted at a person's body (as opposed to the head) it would look similar, plus as you stated, be pretty slow.

Straight legged crescents look nice and may occasionally work but are definitely a risky move since the kick:
A. is slower than some other kicks
b. travels in path that is more visible to the human eye

What I mean in b is that your eye perceives motion and depth better when an object travels across horizontally than when something comes directly at you in a straight line.

I learned that one the hard way :)