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NoGroinNoKrav
7/08/2010 4:15pm,
I have been having a lot of trouble falling asleep lately. I will be tired, but my thoughts won't stop running through my head. I did take some Motrin PM last night and it felt great but I know its not something I can rely on.

So if anybody knows of a great affordable supplement please post.

Uglybugly
7/08/2010 4:57pm,
what do you think about?

Mtripp
7/08/2010 5:57pm,
"Change your Brain Change your Life" is where you should be looking.

Amazon.com: Change Your Brain, Change Your Life: The Breakthrough Program for Conquering Anxiety, Depression, Obsessiveness, Anger, and Impulsiveness (9780812929980): Daniel G. Amen: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Change-Your-Brain-Life-Obsessiveness/dp/0812929985/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1278629821&sr=8-1-spell)

For now, all of the over the counter items are benadryl based:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000704

Get the cheap stuff and take 2 or 3 before bed, and until you can find out the problem.

NoGroinNoKrav
7/08/2010 6:03pm,
I'll check out the book but it sucks that all over the counter stuff is just allergy medication.

I tend to think about anything. Mostly doing some sort of physical activity or playing some game. Then I get restless and its impossible for me to fall asleep cause my fatigue kind of just goes away

Mr. Machette
7/08/2010 6:13pm,
Melatonin is a popular supplement.

Personally, I like whiskey.

OZZ
7/08/2010 8:16pm,
Lorazepam.
Its a form of valium and can be addictive if abused.But if you use them properly, they work great.
I only take one 1mg pill if I REALLY( ie. important meeting the next morning) need to get to sleep and can't for some reason...
I know many people on here wouldn't reccommend something like this, but it works for me. I only take them once or twice a month.
Oh, and do NOT mix with whiskey unless you want to pass out immediately.

Mtripp
7/08/2010 8:27pm,
Lorazepam.
Its a form of valium and can be addictive if abused.But if you use them properly, they work great.
I only take one 1mg pill if I REALLY( ie. important meeting the next morning) need to get to sleep and can't for some reason...
I know many people on here wouldn't reccommend something like this, but it works for me. I only take them once or twice a month.
Oh, and do NOT mix with whiskey unless you want to pass out immediately.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000560

I'd stay away from that if you could. Read the Brain book and see if you can get a handle on the underlying problems.

hungryjoe
7/08/2010 8:33pm,
Melatonin is a popular supplement.

Personally, I like whiskey.

I take melatonin at times.

http://www.vitaminlady.com/naturesplus/liquid_sleep-assure.asp

Or a few beers or a good whiskey when the weekend permits.

Being one that sleeps around 5 to maybe 6 hours, the melatonin does help drop off for the night.

Mtripp
7/08/2010 8:34pm,
You should be sleeping more than that, read the book....

Soldiermedic
7/08/2010 8:49pm,
Its really best to try and find other solutions and leave medication as a last resort.

spamurai13
7/08/2010 9:23pm,
Insomnia is a terrible frustrating thing, however, I've seen the sleeping aids go terribly wrong with some of my patients.

All prescription sleeping aids (Ambien and Lunesta) are addictive and tolerance builds to them very quickly.

Benzos such as valium indeed are addictive and should not be used as a sleep aid.

melatonin is designed to reset your circadian clock. It is best used when you are jet lagged.

and indeed most if not all OTC meds have benadryl in them.

Mr. Tripp hits the nail on the head. Trying to find non medicating solutions should be the first step. Adjusting your sleeping hygiene is the best start (i.e. going to sleep at a set time every evening, not watching TV in bed or doing anything that stimulates your mind, not taking naps longer than 45 minutes)

If you are suffering too much, please go see a sleep specialist.

maofas
7/08/2010 11:27pm,
I've had horrible insomnia since I was a young child. There is only one good supplement for this without any real side-effects (indica-heavy marijuana), but I doubt that is practical advice for you.

While alcohol can help you get to sleep, going to sleep drunk will give you a very unsatisfying slumber.

Fact is, if you have chronic insomnia (as opposed to merely having trouble sleeping lately) there is no one magic solution that's going to fix it. You have to mix-and-match a whole bunch of different things to get around it, and every so often you're still going to wind up with a sleepless night.

Here are some things to try:

#1. Don't take any caffeine (remember this includes soda, in fact soda sucks in general for health) past noon. This can be rough because when you've got insomnia you rely on caffeine to get you through the mid-day crash, but it's a vicious cycle.

#2. It's easier to fall asleep in a cooler room under covers than a warmer room without covering.

#3. Jerk off, there I said it. It won't make you drowsy, but it relieves tension and you'll stop thinking about whatever you were thinking about. I would say have sex, but honestly, I'm about 50-50 as to whether it makes me fall asleep instantly or gives me a big rush of energy where I don't feel tired until 6 am.

#4. Learn how to not think. I know this sounds trite and oversimplified, but learn how to go blank instead of not-thinking-about-something-via-thinking-about-other-things. Easier said than done, but it can be done. If you lie there without thought, you will probably succumb to sleep. Of course if you're being haunted by some specific problem, the best solution is to deal with it so you don't have to think about it anymore.

#5. Buy a copy of Charles Dicken's Bleak House and keep it by your bed. Now you probably think I'm trolling you, but I'm not. This book is INTOLERABLY boring. Oh, I'm aware you have probably read boring things before, but understand I majored in English the first time around and have never in my life failed to finish any other work of literature. I've tried my damnedest to get through this book 3 times as a point of pride and failed miserably. This book is responsible for me passing out and missing so many stops on the subway when I lived in NYC it's not even funny.

(Supposedly about 500 pages in it gets good for about 200 pages before it goes back to sucking, but I can't say, since I've never gotten that far.)

#6. If you have to get up to go to the bathroom, try to not blast yourself with fluorescent lights. If you can, use indirect light (i.e. a dim light at the end of the hallway that's just enough to see by). This is especially relevant if you were asleep and wake up in the middle of the night.

#7. Don't take naps which will ruin your sleep cycle. Similarly, don't allow yourself to sleep super-late on the weekends (whenever you finally crash) just because you can. Be up by 10 am at the absolute latest, even if you're dead tired.

I'll name some more if I think of them.

Uglybugly
7/09/2010 3:33pm,
so again. what are you thinking about when you can't sleep?

HereBeADragon
7/09/2010 4:22pm,
Good stuff Maofas,especially #5. I come from a family of chronic over-thinker/insomniacs. As with many of the pains in my life such as insomnia, or on more extreme occasions dental work because I am resistent to novacain and have a thick jaw that is impossible to get a nerve block on anyway, I have had success with self hypnosis. It takes about 20 minutes but I have always been asleep by the end.

Other things to consider is where are you sleeping? Are you within 5 feet of any electrical appliances? Some believe the electro magnetic fields these things give off can effect our sleep cycles. Another consideration is lighting. The darker the room the better chance you have of sleeping. So a sleep mask might be an option to consider trying.

LarsCG
7/09/2010 4:40pm,
*snip* I have had success with self hypnosis. It takes about 20 minutes but I have always been asleep by the end. *snip*

Could you give a short description of your autohypnosis routine? I've been an insomniac since about the age of 13-14, and I've always been interested the different variants of hypnosis to solve it. No luck so far.

I have no tricks that work steadily, but here's one that somewhat helps: keep a pen and a notepad by your bed. Write down the stuff you find yourself thinking about. Document, then ignore. Check it out when you're awake again.

I also keep a notepad by my bed to capture the odd flash of genious and inspiration.

Sadly it usually reads like "Peppers are cool!! I'm hungry!"

Regards,
Lars

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