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MC Kwai
5/11/2010 11:45pm,
???????????

http://www.angelfire.com/ks/wmal/

Some of his Martial Arts properties are:

In the mid-eighties he won three professional Thaiboxing fights in Thailand
He also had two victories at Fullcontact non-rules matches 1987 in Hong-Kong

As a student of some one who actually WAS there at the Hong-Kong no-rules matches in 1987 I can tell you Klaus wasn't

waxeater
5/12/2010 10:36am,
It's pretty much impossible to prove or disprove a fight record in Thailand, especially from that timeframe.

Hiro Protagonist
5/12/2010 10:53am,
I'm on it.

OP, are you sure the link you posted is the correct one?

Now it says:


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Hiro Protagonist
5/12/2010 11:04am,
Sweet goodness.

This guy a gold mine:




Brief history of Soke Schuhmacher's Martial Arts background



Soke Schuhmacher's credentials and reputation are world renown. He has more than 37 years of experience in the study, training, researching, teaching, and performing several styles and systems of Martial Arts. Additionally he is known throughout the world for his impressive joint lock techniques, pressure point techniques and high impact Martial Arts exhibitions.

Mr. Schuhmacher was grown up in Frankfurt ~ Germany ~ Europe. His Martial Arts career began as a little boy with Jiu-Jitsu and Judo under the legendary Grandmaster Heinz Guenther, who was after Great Grandmaster Erich Rahn, the second highest ranked Judo and Jiu-Jitsu expert in Europe.

Since 1994 Klaus was inducted into 35 Hall of Fame events in the highest categories, including “International Grandmaster of the Year 2009”, published in the 30th anniversary issue January 2010 of the worldīs leading publication on Korean Martial Arts, “Tae-Kwon-Do Times Magazine" ! This makes him the first German and European, who ever received a Hall of Fame induction, by one of the top three international Martial Arts magazines world-wide !

Soke Schuhmacher is the father of original Hap-Ki-Do in Thailand, Yemen, Bangladesh, and Costa Rica and appeared with articles about "Oh-Do-Kwan-Hap-Ki-Do" and "Progressive Hapkido" in the world's leading Magazine for Korean Martial Arts "Tae-Kwon-Do Times" !

He was the first who organized an international Martial Arts Hall of Fame in Europe and is responsible for bringing some of the greatest Martial Arts Grandmasters and legends to Germany / Europe ! This include:

[snip - list of guys that I don't know.]

Some of the honors he received are:
"Special medal from the Philippine Sports Commission"(2001)
Award for Continuance of Excellence in the Preservation of the Martial Arts" by the
"Action Martial Arts Magazine Hall of Fame & Spirit Awards", U.S.A.
"Award as one of the World's best Martial Artists" by the H.R. I.M.A.A.
1st Worldwide Hall of Fame in 2003



Some of his Martial Arts properties are:
World champion in Soft Style Weapon Forms 1986
European champion in Soft Style Weapon Forms 1986
22 times Grand Champion in Kata /Forms and Weapons
In 1987 he was a member of the A.F.M.A. US Team at a World Championships in Austria
In the mid-eighties he won three professional Thaiboxing fights in Thailand
He also had two victories at Fullcontact non-rules matches 1987 in Hong-Kong
Between 1983-1987 he was a member of an international Show team were performed over 270 Martial Arts demonstrations all over in Europe


[snip]

Actual Martial Arts ranks, levels and qualifications

As the only person worldwide he holds a Doctorate in Hap-Ki-Do Philosophy and an 11th Dan ~ Degree Black Belt in Hap-Ki-Do for his establishment of the educational
Oh-Do-Kwan-Hap-Ki-Do System in 1986. Mr. Schuhmacher is one of only a handful Non-Asians world wide holding a 10th Dan in Tae-Kwon-Do and was the first Non-Asians to receive this highest rank in both Tae-Kwon-Do and Hap-Ki-Do.

Certified, recognized and official registered by over 92 different Martial Arts organizations as the holder of several ranks in multiple Styles and Systems, he is one of the highest ranked in the Martial Arts world-wide.


He received different honorary Ph.D. titles in the fields of Martial Arts, Tae-Kwon-Do Chinese and Korean Martial Arts from several professional Martial Arts institutions.

Additionally he holds to his credit, the new scientific street defense system called "PROGRESSIVE HAPKIDO". Prof. Schuhmacher spends considerable time and effort preparing his Progressive Hap-Ki-Do program. These program grow out of almost 35 years learning, practicing and teaching the Japanese-Korean system of Hap-Ki-Do.

His Hap-Ki-Do instructors since 1975 were Song-Il-Hak, Sou-Bong-Kim (Father of Hap-Ki-Do in Europe),Yu-Un-Son (direct student of Soke Choi), Yang-Seung-Woo (Europe's highest ranking H.K.D. Grandmaster at that time). In 1984 Klaus trained under Chi-Han-Jae in Offenbach, Germany.

In 1989 he was one of the founders of the "German H.K.D. Federation" and trained privately with Yoo-Kyung-Soon in Kassel.

In 1992 Soke started to form his curriculum which now has become known
as Progressive Hap-Ki-Do.

Mr. Schuhmacher is the current President of the World Martial Arts League
(the oldest independent International Martial Arts organization, first chartered in 1953)and the founder of nine different international non-profit Martial Arts organizations, including the International Council of Higher Martial Science Education, a worldwide institution for a better control of higher Martial Arts levels and ranks.

Mr. Schuhmacher developed several unique Degree systems, like the "Senator", "Minister", "Ambassador", and "Diplomat" Degree certification program, to keep the retention of high ranking black belts and to motivate, properly train and certify Martial Arts Instructors.


[snip]

His goal in life is to touch people's lives, encouraging them to be strong in mind, body, and spirit. He supports human rights worldwide and believes in standing up against any kind of discrimination and injustice.

He started to study Chinese Martial Arts under the supervision of the great Sigung Wong-Ying-Kui of the Wong-Gar-Kung-Fu style, what he is representing as the only person in the Western Hemisphere. Additionally he learned several other styles & systems of Chinese Martial Arts.

As one of the first non-Chinese Martial Artists, he also competed in a big Wushu tournament in China in the eighties. He received his training in the Korean Martial-Arts from several different Grandmasters and studies many other styles in Asia and the U.S.A. Additionally (over the last 34 years) he continues to study Chinese medicine and philosophy in Europe, Asia and the U.S.A.

Soke Schuhmacher is the only German and one of only a handful Europeans were gives seminars world-wide. Since 1981, Soke Schuhmacher already taught different styles and systems of Martial Arts in seminars and private consultations to people in the Caribbean, the Middle East, Costa Rica, the U.S.A., Asia, all over Europe and gave over 96 demonstrations outside of Europe.

Soke Schuhmacher is currently labouring to complete his books "The Complete Chinese Martial Arts Factbook", and "The Ultimate Hap-Ki-Do Factbook".


This picture from the early 80īs shows Grandmaster Schuhmacher
performing a brick break with an internal iron palm strike.

He also is a Philippines certified Instructor for Stickfighting (Minos-Perez Kali), which he practice since 1983 and a certified "Military Close Quarter Combat Tactics" Senior Instructor for his many years of teaching U.S. Special Forces, Army and Airforce personal during their stay in Germany.

He is certified and official registered by many different international Martial Arts organizations from the U.S.A., Asia (including Nepal, India, Singapore, China, Bangladesh, Philippines, Okinawa, Japan and Korea) Europe, Central- and South America. This include very high ranks in Hap-Ki-Do, Tae-Kwon-Do, Ho-Shin-Do, Gum-Do, Tang-Soo-Do, Ju-Jitsu, Chinese Martial Arts, Okinawan Karate (Tamira-Kei-Shin-Ryu & Goju-Ryu),and high ranks in Okinawan Kobudo and Aiki-Jitsu, etc.

Over the years Soke Schuhmacher met some of the best Grand Masters and Legends
in the Martial Arts like Lou Thesz, Grand Master Johnny Kuhl, Grand Master Ken Eubanks, Prof. Robert F. Edwards, Sosei Reno Moralez, Grand Master Chuck Merriman, Grand Master George Dillman, Grand Master Dr. K. Sung, Grand Master Jason Lau, Grand Master Mike Anderson, Grand Master Anthony T. Goh, Grand Master Michael De Pasquale Sr., Grand Master George W. Alexander and Grand Master Gary Alexander.

He also had the opportunities to receive instruction during some of the most prestigious camps and seminars worldwide, from experts such as Soke Ed Parker, Prof. Peter Urban, O'Sensei Phillip Porter, Soke D.P. Hutton, to name just a few.

Hiro Protagonist
5/12/2010 11:14am,
^The German Ralph Severe?

I for my part have never heard of him, and I lived virtually around the corner.

EDIT: Can we upload ZIP-Files to this site?

I have already saved all the (small) pics of the certificates he claims.

I'd like to point out this one here, since it's telling volumes:

http://www.angelfire.com/ks/wmal/PHD2.jpg

MC Kwai
5/12/2010 11:48am,
It's pretty much impossible to prove or disprove a fight record in Thailand, especially from that timeframe.

Not if he is claiming a "Pro" fight that implies Lumpini or Rajadamnern

Not many Fahrangs fought in Thailand back then, and those that are known to have fought at a "pro" level IN Thailand are documented, so actually it would be very easy if he claimed having "pro" level fights.

Not to mention with all his worldwide martial arts knowledge, he doesn't list a single Thai Kru, or camp.............

Hiro Protagonist
5/12/2010 12:03pm,
Then, hush, hush, go and look it up yourself, noobie!

In any case, this guy is so epically full of **** that it's almost not important if he had those fights, or not.

Other claims are far more hilarious/almost certainly BS:




"Award as one of the World's best Martial Artists" by the H.R. I.M.A.A.
This makes him the first German and European, who ever received a Hall of Fame induction, by one of the top three international Martial Arts magazines world-wide ! Soke Schuhmacher is the father of original Hap-Ki-Do in Thailand, Yemen, Bangladesh, and Costa Rica As the only person worldwide he holds a Doctorate in Hap-Ki-Do Philosophy and an 11th Dan ~ Degree Black Belt in Hap-Ki-Do for his establishment of the educational Oh-Do-Kwan-Hap-Ki-Do System in 1986. He received different honorary Ph.D. titles in the fields of Martial Arts, Tae-Kwon-Do Chinese and Korean Martial Arts from several professional Martial Arts institutions As one of the first non-Chinese Martial Artists, he also competed in a big Wushu tournament in China in the eighties. a certified "Military Close Quarter Combat Tactics" Senior Instructor for his many years of teaching U.S. Special Forces, Army and Airforce personal during their stay in Germany.


What a bloody disgrace for my home region.

Hiro Protagonist
5/12/2010 1:22pm,
Well, then, which sifus?

As to why we do need this info: When it comes to the really putting an article together, shall we then quote you by saying "some anonymous user on the internet said that he had been told"?

Not very convincing, or is it?

ChenPengFi
5/12/2010 1:35pm,
I will further add that many "Gwailo" were around in Hong Kong during the '80s and it would be pretty silly to assert that NONE could have fought then.
It was the '80s for crying out loud, not the '40s.
Dave Lacey specifically mentions Portuguese GANGS in HK far back as the late '50s as well as having fights against them.
http://www.pantherfist.com/page3.html

I might add that Sifu Lacey is of mixed race himself..

ChenPengFi
5/12/2010 1:50pm,
Sure he is. I wonder what his true kung fu is about, in the end. Moar BS?

Buck Sam Kong taught foreigners openly since the '60s and printed his first book in the '70s.
Poor kid is off by a few decades...

..and we all know what it means when someone says they have "t34 r34l!!"

waxeater
5/12/2010 2:05pm,
Claiming professional wins in Thailand doesn't necessarily mean Raja or Lumpinee, even back then. Either way, I'm curious as to where one would gain access to twenty year old documentation regarding professional muay Thai bouts in Thailand. Since BS artists routinely claim any number of bouts in Thailand, knowing that those bouts are nearly impossible to verify, that kind of information could be very helpful in sorting out posers from the real thing.

Hiro Protagonist
5/12/2010 2:08pm,
Could be a whole variety of things, but irrelevant to the thread. Unless the thread is headed for trollshido. Either way fine with me. Less things for me to do at teh end of the year. :|

The fight record itself is not really worth considering, I think.

The other claims are way more interesting, since they are clearly an attempt of profile-padding even worse than Severe.

I list those that seem more important to me here:

No BS MMA and Martial Arts - View Single Post - Klaus Schuhmacher won 3 pro fights in Thailand mid 80's??? (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2368849&postcount=7)

The only thing that cannot be explained through the usual oldschool degree-padding is the claim that he trained US Special Forces.

But even there, the terms have to be watched carefully:


for his many years of teaching U.S. Special Forces, Army and Airforce personnel (fixed by me)

- That doesn't say if he trained them in- or outside of a military context.


The rest, about his Hapkido etc claims, can per se be true, in the sense that he was rewarded those ranks and titles - the point is that places like the American College of Martial Science, the Halls of Fame etc are notorious rank-for-cash factories that have been discussed many times over here already.

The same can be the case with his fight record; maybe he went to Thailand, maybe he even got a pro license.

However, there is a difference between pro levels as well, of course. You can call yourself a "pro" regardless if you fight in the UFC or, say, in "Smackgirl".

In the end, he's a typical oldschool martial artist - dozens and dozens of ranks, titles and accomplishments, and yet a skillset no bigger than Fred Ettish in his UFC fight.

Sri Hanuman
5/12/2010 2:17pm,
Has someone sent Klaus an e-mail?

MC Kwai
5/12/2010 2:20pm,
Claiming professional wins in Thailand doesn't necessarily mean Raja or Lumpinee, even back then. Either way, I'm curious as to where one would gain access to twenty year old documentation regarding professional muay Thai bouts in Thailand. Since BS artists routinely claim any number of bouts in Thailand, knowing that those bouts are nearly impossible to verify, that kind of information could be very helpful in sorting out posers from the real thing.


I know that Dave Kvalhelm and Ray Edler are the only two caucasian fighters widely recognized as having "pro" level fights IN Thailand before the Dutch made their mark

Hiro Protagonist
5/12/2010 2:25pm,
Has someone sent Klaus an e-mail?

First, double-check it with the mods. Maybe CY can help with the military claims, and if we have HKD people here, they might help understand that part of his legend as well. So far, BTW, only ONE HKD dojo is listed for the entirety of Thailand. If Mr Schumacher was among the founders that dojo, his claim on this might also be true - though of course, the dimensions of his impact are kind of smaller than he makes one understand at his website.

Sri Hanuman
5/12/2010 2:28pm,
First, double-check it with the mods. Maybe CY can help with the military claims, and if we have HKD people here, they might help understand that part of his legend as well. So far, BTW, only ONE HKD dojo is listed for the entirety of Thailand. If Mr Schumacher was among the founders that dojo, his claim on this might also be true - though of course, the dimensions of his impact are kind of smaller than he makes one understand at his website.

Good, now we have a lead to follow up on.
Where are they located? Do they have a site/e-mail?