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TheMightyMcClaw
4/13/2010 10:26pm,
As I mentioned on YMAS, I'm going to be doing fight choreography for an independent movie over the summer. At one point in this film, there's a duel between a character wielding a shillelagh and a character wielding a saber. While i'm finding a decent number of resources for shillelagh techniques, I'm having a hard time finding stuff on how Ye Olde Sabers were used. I thought I saw a whole series of videos on the very subject on this forum, but now cannot seem to find them.
So yeah, any manuals/instructional videos on historical saber techniques would be much appreciated.

Dak
4/13/2010 11:00pm,
a gentleman made a post in the thread "Fencing vs. HEMA" about Swedish sabre manuals i believe

No BS MMA and Martial Arts - View Single Post - Fencing or HEMA? (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2210594&postcount=113)

edit: hadn't looked at those before. They are similar (by my glancing over it) to the modern shenanigans. I might put some of these things into my modern fencing game. fusho

Grimnir69
4/14/2010 6:37am,
I am the one who posted that, and I run the Hroarr site with the material. My club also has a sabre group practicing from those manuals. You can see some of it here: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sabre+ghfs&aq=f

Here's some HEMA competition sabre: YouTube- Swordfish sabre final 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMhnmFo9v_Y)

You can also search for British Sabre fencing according to Hutton on YT:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hutton+sabre&aq=f

Or classical Italian sabre fencing:

YouTube- Eric Meyers vs John Sullins, dueling sabre bout WMAW 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO0P5bXlBkU)


Good luck!

lklawson
4/14/2010 7:39am,
Military Saber or Dueling Saber?

There's a whole crapload of manuals on Military Saber available. But the weight of the weapon makes the bread-n-butter techniques somewhat boring visually.

Here are some that I use as source material:

Military Sabre/Cutlass:
http://www.anesi.com/prsefs.htm
http://www.ejmas.com/jnc/jncart_burtonnewsword_0200.htm
http://www.thehaca.com/pdf/ColdSteel.pdf
http://www.careyroots.com/broadsword.html
http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/an-abridgment-of-the-new-broad-sword-exercise/1848595
http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/archery-fencing-and-broadsword/7757776
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/4933/cassell.html
http://www.navyandmarine.org/cutlassmanual/1869cutlass.pdf
http://www.navyandmarine.org/cutlassmanual/1906cutlass.pdf

There are also a number of google books, if you search, such as this one:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=vIwBAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_v2_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

DdlR
4/15/2010 1:31am,
As I mentioned on YMAS, I'm going to be doing fight choreography for an independent movie over the summer. At one point in this film, there's a duel between a character wielding a shillelagh and a character wielding a saber. While i'm finding a decent number of resources for shillelagh techniques, I'm having a hard time finding stuff on how Ye Olde Sabers were used. I thought I saw a whole series of videos on the very subject on this forum, but now cannot seem to find them.


No BS MMA and Martial Arts - View Single Post - trying to help someone (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2260946&postcount=5)

Mordschlag
4/15/2010 11:09am,
Have you considered using Messer techniques for sabre? If you do you can always find more than a couple Fechtbücher for that and see where that takes you.

Permalost
4/15/2010 11:14am,
There's a good DVD set by Cold Steel with Lynn Thompson and Anthony DeLongis that's pretty good.
YouTube- Cold Steel: (1 of 3) Basic Self Defense With Saber and Cutlass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7VBxc8WsXc)
YouTube- Cold Steel: (2 of 3) Basic Self Defense With Saber and Cutla (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LRwY2dJEPk&feature=related)
YouTube- Cold Steel: (3 of 3) Basic Self Defense With Saber and Cutla (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJPtAolyzhU&feature=related)

lklawson
4/15/2010 1:48pm,
There's a good DVD set by Cold Steel with Lynn Thompson and Anthony DeLongis that's pretty good.Mr. DeLongis certainly knows what he's about and Mr. Thompson knows where to go to get good training.

That said, I've never been able to talk myself into the high price-tag for these videos.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

Permalost
4/15/2010 4:29pm,
Mr. DeLongis certainly knows what he's about and Mr. Thompson knows where to go to get good training.
Well said.


That said, I've never been able to talk myself into the high price-tag for these videos.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
A friend of mine works for a cutlery distributor, and somehow they came across the DVDs but nobody there really wanted them, so I got them for free. Also a nice set about the sarong with Ron Balicki that's pretty cool even though I'm not really interested in training with one. And I got the Warrior's Edge series at a huge discount when they were trying to get rid of their VHS tapes to switch to DVDs. I probably wouldn't spend full price on any of their videos either.

HereBeADragon
4/23/2010 4:49pm,
just FYI you can get a lot of the cold steel DVDs on ebay pretty cheap. Or at the Cold Steel Challenge their stuff is always really marked down, and they will haggle with you too. At the last one I went to I got the Sjambok and Saber series for less than $40 each and 10 of their escrima sticks for $100. On ebay I got the Warrior's Edge DVD series for $30 with shipping.

willaume
4/24/2010 5:19am,
As I mentioned on YMAS, I'm going to be doing fight choreography for an independent movie over the summer. At one point in this film, there's a duel between a character wielding a shillelagh and a character wielding a saber. While i'm finding a decent number of resources for shillelagh techniques, I'm having a hard time finding stuff on how Ye Olde Sabers were used. I thought I saw a whole series of videos on the very subject on this forum, but now cannot seem to find them.
So yeah, any manuals/instructional videos on historical saber techniques would be much appreciated.

hello
It is not my period, I know there is some 19th century polish sabre manuals around, and i have seen Napoleonic area and 1900 sabre manual.
Hutton is a good place to start but really they all do compare poorly with any backsword, Messer or long sword manuals.

Sabre in occident was no a weapon that was being taught as such until
the Napoleonic area.
Poland and Hungary are probably the exception to that and of course
in Turkish or Moguls influenced region that is a different story
Compared to backsword/spadon/cut and thrust whatever you want to call the sabre is a mono dimensional weapon just like any rapier after 1650.

What i am trying to get at is that if the story takes place in the 17-18th century using backsword/spadaon/epee manuals is not too far fetched or far from what happened

phil