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Ranca
4/12/2010 10:33pm,
Hi there!

Just found this place during a google search on the topic above. Nice place.

I've been trying to find more info about Kun Gek Do also known as Gwon-gyokdo and also Koren Kickboxing, although there are other styles also known as Korean Kickboxing like Han-Kuk-Mu-Do and also Kyuk Too Ki which I'm still not sure it's a style or just a set of rules or type of modality where different styles fight each other.
Does anybody have any more info about Kun Gek Do? All I could find was a couple of short texts in old forum posts and the short wikipedia description.
I also found the Turtlepress video on Kyuk Too Ki and I'm undecided if i should get it. It seems more like Koreans practicing Muay Thai than anything else while the impression i have from Kun Gek Do is that it has more Taekwondo in it but I can't find any books or DVDs or articles on it.
If anybody knows any info I would greatly appreciate if you could share. I'm a huge fan of the Korean martial arts. Thanks in advance.

Ranca
4/14/2010 11:24am,
I guess this must be a really obscure style. Over 50 views and nobody has added anything. A forum search did not return any results either.

babo78
4/14/2010 3:19pm,
I don't think you will find much material in English. From my limited knowledge, I should add basic limited knowledge. 권격도 Kun guk do (whatever you wanna spell it). It's pretty much kick box.

It's hybrid style as variant of Muay Thai but it's more of rule format than style I think. Their competitions involve various other schools from TKD, Tuk Gong moo sool, Kick Boxers, etc.

Originally I think it was a TKD guy that started this Muay Thai variation. TKd guy had fight with Muay Thai guy. Afterward, TKD guy incorporated Muay Thai techniques that's not allowed or taught in TKD such as low kicks, elbows, knees, etc. Then sparred using it. I don't know exactly. I'm sure someone on this board knows better than I.

If you can read and write Korean, goolging 권격도 you'll see more. If not, using google translator should help you found out more. HQ is in Busan, South Korea and they do have website.

Edit: And yes this is a minority even amongst KMA.

Rene "Zendokan" Gysenbergs
4/14/2010 3:57pm,
...the short wikipedia description...
is faulty. Probely rewritten to serve the purpose of probally this group ( http://www.koreamartialarts.org/ (http://www.koreamartialarts.org/) ).

Kun Gek Do is a Martial Sport that is created from mixing Muay Thai and Taekwondo.

Kyuk Too Ki is a ruleset (like Sanda) that is used by fighters of different Korean Martial Arts (Taekwondo, Hapkido, Kuk Sool Won, Kun Gek Do, etc...) to compete against eachother.
And just like Sanda there are know some schools that teach "Kyuk Too Ki" as their main style or better said a "Kickboxing-style" that is specific caterd to the Kyuk Too Ki ruleset.

Ranca
4/14/2010 4:31pm,
Thanks both of you for the reply.



If you can read and write Korean, goolging 권격도 you'll see more. If not, using google translator should help you found out more. HQ is in Busan, South Korea and they do have website.

Would you know their website url?
Been looking for it all over without any success.
I don't speak Korean at all but I will have a go at google Korea and the term you gave and use google translation.

Thanks.

DerAuslander
4/14/2010 4:47pm,
I trained in Gwongyeokdo several years ago. My Taekwondo teacher was also a 6th dan in it.

The Turtle press Gyeoktugi videos are pretty good, and give a great overview of training & the system. Gyeoktugi, as mentioned before, just means systematized sparring techniques, a ruleset for fighting. Those schools training in just Gyeoktugi tend to look more like sanda/sanshou with the emphasis on waist throws.

You're not gonna find any good schools of it outside of South Korea. If it's something that interests you, you're gonna have to go there. Further, if you go, expect to train like a kickboxer, not like a Taekwondo person with a little kickboxing added.

Ranca
4/14/2010 4:55pm,
Thanks.
Yes, I'm willing to go there and train for a while. But I need to be able to contact somebody there before and get more information about it. The headquarters or association would be the best I guess. But although I found 2 names of associations,World Kun Gek Do-Kim Moo Kwan Association and World Martial Art Kunguk-do Korea, googling those names didn't turn up their websites and I don't know the Korean names to google it in Korean. I'm also not sure any of those is the headquarters in Busan.


Where did you train Kun Gek do in Korea?


if you go, expect to train like a kickboxer, not like a Taekwondo person with a little kickboxing added.

Right. But it is not pretty much Muay Thai training is it?
One of the things that interested me was the extra stuff over Muay Thai like self defense oriented techniques and the fact it has Taekwondo kicks too instead of only the thai boxing kicks.

I have trained in Muay Thai and also Taekwondo and the turtle video looked like pure Muay-Thai to me, reason I was a bit skeptical in getting it. If it's just Muay-Thai I wouldn't need it.

Thanks.

P.S. By the way, anybody knows if Jung Do-mo is still alive?



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DerAuslander
4/15/2010 9:14pm,
If you thought the Turtle Press video looked like pure Muay Thai...

You're full of ****.

Just stick with Olympic Taekwondo.

Real martial arts would be too scary for you.

Ranca
4/15/2010 9:41pm,
If you thought the Turtle Press video looked like pure Muay Thai...

You're full of ****.

Just stick with Olympic Taekwondo.

Real martial arts would be too scary for you.

DerAuslander108, WTF?(I can tell you this DOES NOT stand for World Taekwondo Federation).

What's your problem?
First, I said the turtle press DVD "LOOKED LIKE" pure Muay Thais as in " I can not tell since I never watched it but by the trailer it looked like Muay Thai." Not saying it is or isn't. I don't know. I haven't seen it.

About sticking to Olympic Taekwondo because "real" martial arts are too scary for me (whatever that means, any martial art is real martial art), as I said I train Muay Thai! Have also trained BJJ and Taekwondo. Because I know Muay Thai is why I said the Turtle press trailer looks like Muay Thai training for me. But then again it's like a 14 seconds trailer. Can't tell much. But the fighters even have Thai shorts and arm bends.

Going back to calling Taekwondo not a real MA, this sounds pretty freaking tough coming from somebody who wears a Dobok in her avatar, if that's you. I just wonder how you are in person because anybody can talk smack behind a keyboard but if you have that attitude in person you must have you mouth full of toes all the time with all those yop chagis you eat for your uncalled attitude.
Honestly, if you don't want to help stay out of the thread. Your uncalled attitude and rudeness tells me that you are an underachiever with too much to prove or just a flat out...
Try to enjoy life a bit more and try to actually read what people write before replying.

babo78
4/16/2010 11:48am,
Thanks both of you for the reply.



Would you know their website url?
Been looking for it all over without any success.
I don't speak Korean at all but I will have a go at google Korea and the term you gave and use google translation.

Thanks.

http://kungekdo.nazin.net/1_intro/5_board1.php

That should be it.

babo78
4/16/2010 11:55am,
Heads-up Op. You'll need thick skin in Bullshido. People will call it as they see it here. It ain't personal (well, sometimes it is). If disagreement or debates arise, post out proof supporting one's position that can be verified. If that don't work then you get to flameee!

GL

dougguod
4/16/2010 1:59pm,
Going back to calling Taekwondo not a real MA, this sounds pretty freaking tough coming from somebody who wears a Dobok in her avatar, if that's you.
He said,specifically, that Olympic TKD is not a real martial art. He is not alone in that view. It's a game of foot tag. And no, that isn't Der Auslander in the avatar,he just has a fetish for Asian chicks. He's not alone in that either.

Honestly, if you don't want to help stay out of the thread. Your uncalled attitude and rudeness tells me that you are an underachiever with too much to prove or just a flat out...
Try to enjoy life a bit more and try to actually read what people write before replying.

Der Auslander an underachiever. That's going to be funny once he lays out his resume for you. I look forward to seeing how your curriculum vitae stacks up against his.

It is Fake
4/16/2010 3:27pm,
DerAuslander108, WTF?(I can tell you this DOES NOT stand for World Taekwondo Federation).

What's your problem?
First, I said the turtle press DVD "LOOKED LIKE" pure Muay Thais as in " I can not tell since I never watched it but by the trailer it looked like Muay Thai." Not saying it is or isn't. I don't know. I haven't seen it.You made a comment based on ignorance. Your explnation has just confirmed his thought process. You saw a trailer and passed judgment.



About sticking to Olympic Taekwondo because "real" martial arts are too scary for me (whatever that means, any martial art is real martial art),No, this is not true at all.



as I said I train Muay Thai! Have also trained BJJ and Taekwondo. Because I know Muay Thai is why I said the Turtle press trailer looks like Muay Thai training for me.The next question will be for how long?



But then again it's like a 14 seconds trailer. Can't tell much. But the fighters even have Thai shorts and arm bends.

You know I have seen what we call crapplers wearing BJJ uniforms so, book and cover and all that jazz.




Going back to calling Taekwondo not a real MA, this sounds pretty freaking tough coming from somebody who wears a Dobok in her avatar, if that's you. I just wonder how you are in person because anybody can talk smack behind a keyboard but if you have that attitude in person you must have you mouth full of toes all the time with all those yop chagis you eat for your uncalled attitude. You know what is funny about posts like this? They make you look like the anger issue having, keyboard warrior, projecting what he wants to do but, is to scared to say it to the other poster.




Honestly, if you don't want to help stay out of the thread. Your uncalled attitude and rudeness tells me that you are an underachiever with too much to prove or just a flat out...
Try to enjoy life a bit more and try to actually read what people write before replying.

I want you do me a favor and click this link and scroll to the bottom:
Taekwondo and other Korean Martial Arts Forum - No BS MMA and Martial Arts (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=102)

Look at the names.

Ranca
4/16/2010 3:32pm,
Honestly, I couldn't give a rat's ass for his curriculum or how mine stacks up against his. I left the whole "my dick is bigger than yours" thing way back in primary school.
I asked a honest question and his attitude was not only out of place but juvenile. You can clearly see that he either didn't read my reply or just wanted to play tough. In any case neither warranted the childish reply and his curriculum gives him no bigger right.
Either way I wasn't the one who lowered the level.

It is Fake
4/16/2010 3:40pm,
Honestly, I couldn't give a rat's ass for his curriculum or how mine stacks up against his. I left the whole "my dick is bigger than yours" thing way back in primary school.

No you really didn't. Take your lumps, grow a thicker skin, or leave. That is about all you can do.



I asked a honest question and his attitude was not only out of place but juvenile. You can clearly see that he either didn't read my reply or just wanted to play tough. In any case neither warranted the childish reply and his curriculum gives him no bigger right.See, what I can clearly see is you getting upset over a few words over the internet. Now, I can see that instead of letting it go, you are going to continue until someone says "yeah, he was a dick."

Yeah, he was a dick but, nothing he said was incorrect.



Either way I wasn't the one who lowered the level.Yet, you engaged in the same behavior that you find rude....??
Right now, you have hit pot meet kettle levels of primary school hypocrisy.

Welcome to bullshido.

Ranca
4/16/2010 4:01pm,
You made a comment based on ignorance. Your explnation has just confirmed his thought process. You saw a trailer and passed judgment.

Dude, here are the things I said about the Turtle press DVD, quoted straight from my posts:



I also found the Turtlepress video on Kyuk Too Ki and I'm undecided if i should get it. It seems more like Koreans practicing Muay Thai than anything else...



I have trained in Muay Thai and also Taekwondo and the turtle video looked like pure Muay-Thai to me, reason I was a bit skeptical in getting it. If it's just Muay-Thai I wouldn't need it.

Thanks.




Do you notice the words “SEEMS”, “LOOKED” and “IF”? For anybody who speaks English this makes it clear that I:

1) haven’t seen the DVD
2) am asking an opinion about it
3) Saying that IF it is just Muay Thai training I wouldn’t need to buy as I already know Muay Thai. The big word here is IF! Which means I haven’t seen it and am asking. How’s that passing judgment? Sounds more like asking rather than affirming anything to me, which passing judgment would require. That I had affirmed something.





No, this is not true at all.

Well, says who? Jesus, Budda? Taekwondo, Olympic or not is still a MA. The Olympic side are just rules, but the Kukkiwon style still teaches and employs self-defense techniques and all the other MA attributes. You just can’t use that when you competing under Olympic rules. But it doesn’t matter, I’m not here to argue about that as it doesn’t make any difference to me. I’m not an Olympic Taekwondo fighter and only did Taekwondo to spice up my kicks arsenal.



The next question will be for how long?

Muay Thai? 16 years and counting.





You know what is funny about posts like this? They make you look like the anger issue having, keyboard warrior, projecting what he wants to do but, is to scared to say it to the other poster.


Yes, because I did not say it directly and straight to Auslander right?
Don’t know how I could have been more direct actually.

And you know what? I just got better things to do than to argue over the web with unknown people. I’m done with this pissing contest. As I said, I left that attitude way back in primary school. Although it doesn’t mean I will just take **** from any clown out there and I make sure to speak my mind if I feel it is called for, arguing over the web makes no sense. So have a nice life and have a ball playing tough behind a keyboard.

I’m done here.