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steven52
1/23/2010 4:49pm,
Ronald Duncan, was, I'm sure a very well qualified martial artist in his own style. His mistake was that in the 1980's, he saw an opportunity for popularity, self promotion, and the same dollar signs in his eyes that a few other guys saw, and he "adopted" ninjutsu, claimed a bunch of things, and went public with it. It ruined his credibility. He jumped on the bandwagon, appeared outta nowhere, and rode the wave as long as he could. Probably got rich doing it. I saw him in all the ninja mags in the 80's. He saw a buck and went for it. Serious and authentic practitioners lumped him together with Loriega, Hoshino, Higuchi, and none of them got any respect or credence, and still don't. This is what happens when you go public with no verifiable lineage. It's good for a chuckle, but that's it. We all know who the one and true living grandmaster of the art is...I don't even have to say his name. You know who...

Yoj
1/23/2010 5:06pm,
Is it Kawakami?

steven52
1/23/2010 5:12pm,
Hatsumi.....

Jim_Jude
1/25/2010 1:43am,
Hatsumi.....

MAYBE. The jury's still out on that one...

Yoj
1/25/2010 4:10am,
Exactly, in fact at this stage I'm more inclined to believe Kawakami over Hatsumi.

steven52
1/25/2010 9:28am,
Not according to Takamatsu....that's who he chose, like it or not.

Yoj
1/25/2010 9:51am,
It's actually Takamatsu's claims that are in question, so it doesn't matter who he chose or my level of dislike or otherwise for that decision.

steven52
1/25/2010 12:18pm,
Neither you or I are qualified to render an opinion. We didn't know Takamatsu.

Yoj
1/25/2010 1:52pm,
If that's your justification for blindly believing someone with glaring problems with their story then I think you might find you are on the wrong forum for you.

steven52
1/25/2010 1:55pm,
If that's your justification for blindly believing someone with glaring problems with their story then I think you might find you are on the wrong forum for you.

Neither you or I are qualified to judge. It doesn't involve either of us. If you want to promote an arguement of some kind, then perhaps this is the wrong forum for YOU. Because I'm not interested.

Yoj
1/25/2010 2:22pm,
Have you actually paid any attention to what this site is about? You joined and immediately posted in this thread attacking Duncan, and promoting Hatsumi. It rather looks like you are very interested in arguing about this to the point of joining the forum specifically to do so. Your attempts to disqualify out of hand, the people discussing it, makes it rather seem like you would prefer people to simply accept the facts as Hatsumi has stated them and not to question his holiness.

Which is all very odd for a 'karate' person, but maybe it's the chinese karate takamatsu learned in china then claimed it was an ancient school of ninjutsu he learned, who knows.

steven52
1/25/2010 2:26pm,
And what exactly have YOU done lately?

Sri Hanuman
1/25/2010 2:43pm,
And what exactly have YOU done lately?

What have you?

steven52
1/25/2010 2:46pm,
Plenty. That's not for you to know. Look, Takamatsu chose HATSUMI...that's it. You may not like it, but there's not a thing in the world you can do about it. Hate it till the day you die, disagree with it to your dying breath if you want. It's still a free country. There's not a think you can do. Not one single thing. Hence your need to be frustrated and argue perhaps-not my problem. Hope you find the resolution you are looking for. Have a nice day and good luck!

Yoj
1/25/2010 2:51pm,
I've updated my phone software to use the latest maps, how does that alter the legitimacy question around the booj?

Sri Hanuman
1/25/2010 2:53pm,
Plenty. That's not for you to know.

Cop out answer.



Look, Takamatsu chose HATSUMI...that's it. You may not like it, but there's not a thing in the world you can do about it. Hate it till the day you die, disagree with it to your dying breath if you want. It's still a free country. There's not a think you can do. Not one single thing. Hence your need to be frustrated and argue perhaps-not my problem. Hope you find the resolution you are looking for. Have a nice day and good luck!

Another cop out.

What was your purpose for posting here?