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devilboy7778
1/18/2010 8:12am,
Does hardening your bones increase your chance in getting arthritis or any other various types of bone deficiency. By hardening I am mostly referring to how Muay Thai fighters kick trees and what not, it seems like there should be some probably with their legs when they are older.:icescream

Rene "Zendokan" Gysenbergs
1/18/2010 8:21am,
http://www.horizonmuaythai.com/history.html

"In the early days Muay Thai training equipment was found from nature. The smooth, slightly spongy nature of the trunk of a banana tree was found suitable for kicking practice."

With other words: banana trees are nature's boxing bags.

devilboy7778
1/18/2010 8:49am,
http://www.horizonmuaythai.com/history.html

"In the early days Muay Thai training equipment was found from nature. The smooth, slightly spongy nature of the trunk of a banana tree was found suitable for kicking practice."

With other words: banana trees are nature's boxing bags.

Right but that hardens your bones and when they are hardened could there be problems with those hardened bones in the future.

Rene "Zendokan" Gysenbergs
1/18/2010 9:00am,
Right but that hardens your bones and when they are hardened could there be problems with those hardened bones in the future.

No, you are increasing your bones density, not the hardness.
Just kick against a boxing bag without shinguards, the bones will slowly become more dense over a minimum period of 6 months.

The thing that causes problems with legs in Muay Thai isn't this form of conditioning, but sparring at trainings without the shinguards and overflexing the knee joints when kicking.

You fight without shinguards in competition and for conditioning against a boxing bag. At sparring, you use shinguards.

*Edit: I have asked the Moderator to move this thread to the basic striking forum*

Conde Koma
1/18/2010 4:32pm,
I think I get what the OP is asking.

Yes, there is some eventual danger to continuous conditioning of the legs. A lot of Thai boxers have ended up with nasty leg problems from long hard careers of fighting, but you're probably not going to reach that stage unless you fight every week without proper nutrition and living conditions.

You can read more about the lives of Thai boxers from Dr. Kitiarsa, who's done lots of research on the subject.
http://sutir.sut.ac.th:8080/sutir/bitstream/123456789/944/1/bib53.2.pdf

It doesn't deal specifically with the issue you're asking about, but he does mention the health issues of Thai boxers later in life.

devilboy7778
1/18/2010 6:10pm,
I think I get what the OP is asking.

Yes, there is some eventual danger to continuous conditioning of the legs. A lot of Thai boxers have ended up with nasty leg problems from long hard careers of fighting, but you're probably not going to reach that stage unless you fight every week without proper nutrition and living conditions.

You can read more about the lives of Thai boxers from Dr. Kitiarsa, who's done lots of research on the subject.
http://sutir.sut.ac.th:8080/sutir/bitstream/123456789/944/1/bib53.2.pdf

It doesn't deal specifically with the issue you're asking about, but he does mention the health issues of Thai boxers later in life.


Oh thanks for that.
Another question on the subject is like when martial artists punch in like buckets of sand to harden their hands there have been stories of them having arthritis due to that training. All word of mouth but still curious.

Conde Koma
1/18/2010 8:10pm,
Hand Conditioning: Iron Palm, Wrapping of the hands, Bag Gloves?? - No BS MMA and Martial Arts (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=28586)

I haven't read the thing, but I'm assuming it should answer some of your questions. The search function is a wonderful thing.

devilboy7778
1/18/2010 8:13pm,
Hand Conditioning: Iron Palm, Wrapping of the hands, Bag Gloves?? - No BS MMA and Martial Arts (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=28586)

I haven't read the thing, but I'm assuming it should answer some of your questions. The search function is a wonderful thing.

Ha agreed. As embarrassing and noobie as it sounds it (search) doesn't work wonders for me.

MMAMickey
1/19/2010 6:26am,
full contact martial arts **** up your body, this is a fact. When we get old all of us who compete in boxing/MT/Judo/Wrestling are likely to have at least some kind of residual injury, but lifting heavy weights regularly or running also causes damage in the long term.

..what I'm getting at is dont worry about arthiritis, worry about getting good at fighting, and as long as you do things properly you won't be any more fucked up than the rest of us.

u1ysses
1/19/2010 3:03pm,
Hand Conditioning: Iron Palm, Wrapping of the hands, Bag Gloves?? - No BS MMA and Martial Arts (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=28586)

I haven't read the thing, but I'm assuming it should answer some of your questions. The search function is a wonderful thing.

Really? That thread?

Conde Koma
1/19/2010 3:58pm,
I said I hadn't read it, it's the first thing that came up when I searched "Hand Conditioning."

tataksarella
2/26/2010 4:20am,
Does hardening your bones increase your chance in getting arthritis or any other various types of bone deficiency. By hardening I am mostly referring to how Muay Thai fighters kick trees and what not, it seems like there should be some probably with their legs when they are older.:icescream
There are no Hardening Bones, you train with makiwara or whatelse, just to thick the tissue aroung the bones, make it less in pain, but your bones is still bones. There are some problem if you doing a mistake training, some problem cause by tear of your joint or hurt your ligaments.

MMAMickey
2/26/2010 4:31am,
actually you can harden bones by weight baring exercises and hitting bags

Osaka peach
2/26/2010 1:41pm,
actually you can harden bones by weight baring exercises and hitting bags

I was wondering about those fist push ups that many martial arts recommends doing. I know JKD recommends doing it to make your hand sturdier and reduce the risk of injury, but funny enough boxing coaches I've known never mentionned this. Maybe it doesn't harden the knuckles any more than just hitting the heavy bag after all. :read2:

pauli
2/26/2010 1:45pm,
Oh thanks for that.
Another question on the subject is like when martial artists punch in like buckets of sand to harden their hands there have been stories of them having arthritis due to that training. All word of mouth but still curious.
people who engage in poor training practices generally suffer for it.

superninjagod
2/26/2010 2:11pm,
Does hardening your bones increase your chance in getting arthritis or any other various types of bone deficiency. By hardening I am mostly referring to how Muay Thai fighters kick trees and what not, it seems like there should be some probably with their legs when they are older.:icescream
First off Bone Hardening has nothing to do with arthritis. Arthritis is disease of the joint usually due to compression of the joint.

So when a MT guy kicks a tree it puts more of a sheer force through the knee, not compression. However a runner will put alot of compression through their joint.

With punching, alot of the compression forces cause the arthritis (broken hands dont' help either)

Hope that helps