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Rohan
12/03/2009 4:16pm,
Hi I don't know if this is the right place to come but I'm getting confused by all the 'experts' and offers out there and it's hard to work out which are real and which are not. I moved to Winchester from London about 3 months ago and thought I'd look into a new martial art to try out. i liked the idea of learning what to do if the fight went to the floor, among other things. So I started to look up the clubs on offer. Settling into my new job and home has taken a while and I thought I'd take another look into the clubs I was interested in. What a difference a few months can make! The website of one I was interested has been changed. They seem to have changed their minds about their credentials. The guy running it no longer calls himself a Master but Chief Instructer, he no longer boasts a few black belts but now just has one and the other instructer mentioned no longer has a black belt in brazilian jiu jitsu but a blue belt. So it looks like they've been telling a few porkies and either been caught out or got cold feet and decided to be 'honest'. Maybe they are still worth a look, the price seemed reasonable and the times convenient. What do we think about the offer of a coaching certificate within a year irrespective of whether you have previous experience of martial arts? Isn't this the same as offering a black belt in a year? Is this possible? Is this evidence of a mcdojo? Who or what is OCFM? the instructer is a black belt in this too. Should I start training with them or stay well away? Does anyone know the area? What club would you recommend?

Mr. Machette
12/03/2009 5:07pm,
Couldn't say.

But I do know a very talented young man who made instructor in one year. He trained with the GM, and the masters for at LEAST two hours every single day of that year. He earned it through a combination of massive dedication, very hard work, and his considerable wealth of natural talent didn't hurt either.

This was not "offered" BTW. People are tested by the GM when they are ready. Nobody is promissed a promotion based on time served. Ever.

Rohan
12/03/2009 5:29pm,
Thank you for the reply. The training for coaching certificate is for a few hours once a week and seems to be guarenteeing anyone who applies will pass. I know there are some real talented people out there - came across a few at my London dojo - they were however in the minority. Also, I've noticed that while some people are great at practicing the art they were rubbish at teaching it to new people - so can anyone really become an instructor? Is this something legit clubs try to sell to people? I can appreciate a Master seeing potential and coaching someone intensively so they rise rapidly through the ranks - but selling it and guarenteeing a rank? It just does not sound right.

jnp
12/03/2009 5:41pm,
Hi I don't know if this is the right place to come but I'm getting confused by all the 'experts' and offers out there and it's hard to work out which are real and which are not. I moved to Winchester from London about 3 months ago and thought I'd look into a new martial art to try out. i liked the idea of learning what to do if the fight went to the floor, among other things. So I started to look up the clubs on offer. Settling into my new job and home has taken a while and I thought I'd take another look into the clubs I was interested in. What a difference a few months can make! The website of one I was interested has been changed. They seem to have changed their minds about their credentials. The guy running it no longer calls himself a Master but Chief Instructer, he no longer boasts a few black belts but now just has one and the other instructer mentioned no longer has a black belt in brazilian jiu jitsu but a blue belt. So it looks like they've been telling a few porkies and either been caught out or got cold feet and decided to be 'honest'. Maybe they are still worth a look, the price seemed reasonable and the times convenient. What do we think about the offer of a coaching certificate within a year irrespective of whether you have previous experience of martial arts? Isn't this the same as offering a black belt in a year? Is this possible? Is this evidence of a mcdojo? Who or what is OCFM? the instructer is a black belt in this too. Should I start training with them or stay well away? Does anyone know the area? What club would you recommend?
There's not much we can do for you without a link to the website, or the instructor's name.

Rohan
12/03/2009 6:09pm,
Oh yes, I s'pose not. Wasn't really sure if I should. This is the website. www.kensamartialarts.co.uk/ (http://www.kensamartialarts.co.uk/) The guy trains at an army barraks -would this not mean its legit in some way? Just not convinced by the changing details and the coach in one year thing.

Diesel_tke
12/03/2009 9:21pm,
Well they definitely look like they do live sparring. But that doesn't mean they are worth a damn!. One of they guys looks so fat that there is no way you would want to try to learn ground fighting from him. It would not be realistic for you. Too hard to get him in your guard. Too hard to do proper locks on him. I would be better than nothing, but not the best out there.

PointyShinyBurn
12/04/2009 5:15am,
I'm not hugely convinced by that website. The assistant instructor is a Royce Blue Belt apparently, which in itself is not particularly impressive as it's a low rank and Royce is well known for handing them out like candy, but can't seem to spell the man's name ('Hoyce', lol). Added to what you say about their prior claims...

I'd check them out but be sceptical. If I wanted to train ground fighting in that area I'd go here: http://www.kamonbjj.com/

P.S. Looking at their syllabus (http://www.kensamartialarts.co.uk/html/syllabus.html) I see a lot of 'random attacks' (i.e. pick-a-move two man kata) and semi-contact sparring. These are not great signs when they also don't appear to compete at all.

Rohan
12/04/2009 4:56pm,
Hi Thanks again for the replies. Yes I had noticed the 'big' guys on the photos - which to be honest was another concern for a couple of reasons. One - I'm a female, slight and small - I'd probably get too much of an idea as to what it'd be like to be a pancake!! Two, I always though martial arts were a great way to stay fit and in shape. Or is it the norm for people to be on the larger side in jiujitsu? Lol! I'm sure it's not so please do not be offended. Does it matter if you don't compete? I have competed and done well in Karate but at 35 and having picked up a few niggling injuries along the way I'm thinking its a young persons game. I love a good friendly scrap but am feeling thats as far as I want to take it. Lol - but then I said something like that when I began Karate! Do many females compete in these types of competitions? I definately want to do some ground fighting - one of the guys in London had just started before I left and was showing us some things, I loved it. Hmm, so the name of the Gracie who the assistant is supposed to have been taught by is spelt wrong? Hadn't spotted that - was just impressed by the Gracie name - I've only heard positive stuff about them. I thought it was hard to get belts from them - I've no idea what the levels the belts are though. I guess I don't have much to lose from going along and having a look. I'll check the net again - there should be other local clubs about surely. Living in London I never did see the point in learning to drive. I'm taking lessons now but in the meantime need something local - Southampton is a bit too far for the wonderful public transport! At least in this weather it is! Though Kambo bjj definately looks good and affordable - incentive to pass my test! Thanks for the link.

Heltern
12/04/2009 9:31pm,
You answer is....Judo cheap and widely available. Covers how to fall properly, how to throw someone (and being short is actually a good thing), and groundfighting.

Sushi-Boy
12/12/2009 9:08pm,
Hi Rohan,

Are these guys http://www.winchester-martialarts.org/ near you?

They look better then the Kensa group - of course you may want to visit both (and any others near enough to you) to compare & contrast.

Good luck!

Rohan
12/17/2009 4:30pm,
Hi Thanks for your suggestions. I decided to give the Kensa lot a go as suggested and give them benefit of the doubt. I was also curious to see if they were a mcdojo. Without a doubt they are a mcdojo. Which is why I'm posting. If anyone else in the hampshire area is thinking of giving them a go - don't! The assistant chief instructor is so fat that no way could I get a proper guard (?) on him - he is the one with his foot on the chief instuctors backside in the photos. The chief instructor was not much slimmer! It also turns out that they are father and son - the black belt held by the assistant was 'given' to him by his father. According to the others there he's been a black belt from the start. The instructor also thought pressure points are funny - meaning he liked to go round randomly applying them repeatedly so you screamed. He apparently also does this in the kids class - puts pressure on the saffonous (?) nerve - so I won't be taking my kids there! With only one or two exceptions the people at this club are 'large' including the assistant chief instructor so learning the tecnhiques was difficult as predicted by diesel_tke. Also, the two instructors seemed to contradict each other all the time though the instructor was the worse as he kept contradicting himself about how a move should be done - confusing himself so much he'd end up telling us to adapt it until it worked for us. Fitness level was shockingly low there. It was also very rough - win by weight and muscle power seemed the order of the day. Perhaps the only thing I learnt was how it must feel like to be a pancake! They were appalling at stand up fighting.

I will check out the club suggested by sushi-boy after christmas - thanks for that it looks good. I did also see another ju jitsu club in the town centre so might check that out too. I might just decide to stick with just doing karate though and not do two martial arts at the same time. I like the fact I can dodge out of danger in Karate but in the 'ground' fighting of ju jitsu am pretty much trapped once underneath someone.

Thanks again for the help.