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johnconstantine
11/04/2009 5:00pm,
hey guys sorry for this and yes i am a newbbie, just been training for a month and half in bjj and i no i wil be getting owned to a while but how long does some basic subs come along, i am not really bothered about belts i want to learn i just dont want it to be as if i am just the rag doll for the dojo.

cheers

DKJr
11/04/2009 6:00pm,
2-5 months I'd guess depending on your athletic ability.

Vorpal
11/04/2009 6:17pm,
As a WB you should concern yourself primarily with surviving. Learn how to relax when you're in trouble and find/make room to survive and improve your position.

plasma
11/04/2009 6:32pm,
BJJ isn't a JMA. Moved to YMAS.

Res Judicata
11/04/2009 7:15pm,
BJJ isn't a JMA. Moved to YMAS.

Isn't it though? Isn't it really?

battlefields
11/04/2009 7:24pm,
Don't worry too much dude. I was getting smashed for ages (a few months) then I slapped a sub on someone and was surprised, the next week I slapped several on and thought I was awesome, the week after that I got smashed again and continued to get smashed. Just keep trying to improve position as said before.
Welcome to BJJ and Bullshido.

MMAMickey
11/04/2009 7:25pm,
do you know the basic subs? as long as you know them try to concentrate on the basics of positioning and surviving like vorpal said.

tbh at my gym for a long time i was the lightest by about 15-20kg (33-44lbs) so i really was the ragdoll. i focused achieving minor victories like maintaining guard, escaping hips or sweeping and gaining top position. Once it comes together then you can start using your subs

HailtotheKing
11/04/2009 7:28pm,
Quote:
Originally Posted by Plasma http://www.bullshido.net/forums/images/dark_vb/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2254592#post2254592)
BJJ isn't a JMA. Moved to YMAS.

Isn't it though? Isn't it really?

No, silly, it's Korean.


Brought to by the Association for the Establishment that Everything is Korean

Res Judicata
11/04/2009 7:47pm,
No, silly, it's Korean.


Brought to by the Association for the Establishment that Everything is Korean

Worked for Korean Shotokan.

To the OP: wait till some new guys come in, you'll be surprised what you've learned. While it may sound cliche, it's true: work on position. Get good position and subs will follow.

HailtotheKing
11/04/2009 8:10pm,
It's true. If you can hold position really well, and you only know one sub from that position, you'll get it eventually. If you know a thousand subs, but can't hold position, you'll never get any.

Res is right, eventually you won't be a newb anymore and there will be other newbs. You'll get to sub them.

permahudef
11/04/2009 8:13pm,
To the OP: wait till some new guys come in, you'll be surprised what you've learned. While it may sound cliche, it's true: work on position. Get good position and subs will follow.+1
If they were training there when you started, you may never reach the same level as them because they will ALSO be improving.

You will need to use fresh n00bs as your measuring stick.

plasma
11/04/2009 11:29pm,
Isn't it though? Isn't it really?

By that logic the KMA forum should be merged in JMA as TKD is Korean Shotokan and Hapikido is Korean Aikijujutsu. BJJ may be based on Judo, but it evolved independently for the last half century and its own entity.

Res Judicata
11/04/2009 11:50pm,
I'm just yanking the Gracie nutriders' chains. Although there's much more post-Maeda crossover from Judo to BJJ and cross-training between than is commonly acknowledged (e.g. the triangle choke).

Where do we put the bullshit American quasi gendai budo JJ styles?

chingythingy
11/05/2009 12:04am,
hey guys sorry for this and yes i am a newbbie, just been training for a month and half in bjj and i no i wil be getting owned to a while but how long does some basic subs come along, i am not really bothered about belts i want to learn i just dont want it to be as if i am just the rag doll for the dojo.

cheers

You can learn subs in one class or one week. Your problem however, is going to be the delivery system and fundamental movement necessary to control your opponent through all of the transitions necessary to apply the sub. And those with more experience are going to be better at it than you.

The cold harsh truth is that your defence will improve so that you are no longer getting completely owned every round. But your teammates will improve like you will, so it's going to be a while before you catch all your teammates with subs. You're probably going to have to be satisfied with surviving, and in a few months there will be newer people to test your subs out on.

ArrogantBastard
11/05/2009 12:14am,
I didn't get a submission for quite some time when I started.

It may help to try submissions on people worse/newer than you so you can get the basic feel of how to execute them versus a resisting opponent. From there, roll with people of equal or better skill to work on the finer points.

Also rolling with higher belts can provide some insight. Many times they will help you out with different moves and you can also observe/ask them how they executed a specific submission on you.

That brings up another point, you can learn aspects of applying submissions when they are being used on you.

DKJr
11/05/2009 12:44am,
Get to drilling son! Seriously drill like dead drills, then do isolation sparring until you hate doing it. Then do hip movement drills until hell freezes over.