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shaolin pimp
8/14/2009 1:11pm,
Okay so I read the Attention Wing chun Teachers thread I'm not a teacher myself just a student, I can see a lot of peoples points, and I know the view of wing chun on Bullshido, so I thought I'll give my own view from my training in wing chun.

I mean I'm embarrassed by a lot of the vids on youtube lol, and there's a lot of cnuts out there, but don't judge the whole system/style I think lots of people made money rode the dick of wing chun after bruce lee's death and the initial kung fu boom, and yip man's name. **** when I started out at one class and then went to another sifu's class the difference was big and painfull and that was in the same organisation.

Now I'm not saying wing chun is teh deadly art, but it is or it should be a good martial art equal to muay thai, boxing, kyokushin etc..as in steet effective, although they are far better for mma, for lots of diff reasons.

So I'm gonna give examples drills/training and ideas or whatever from my experience they might diff or the same as some ex chunners, I don't know but I'm a do it anyway

The head instructor did boxing for years before wing chun. Which I think has had some impact how he teaches and his views on wing chun.

Were always taught keep chin tucked, hands up high protecting head! not chest level, thats just for form.

stance is 50/50/back straight, I know a lot of people think wing chun is immoblie, but I've never found that, well al least the way I been taught it.

Moving: when stepping back, we don't back leg then drag front foot, we step back of front foot, not dragging feet, but almost like a hop, it's fast thats the point, as opposed to other method.

we light spar last 30 mins of every class, light spar for skill development, which is the sme method that is done at the muay thai school, although we can hit each other hard, by light I mean we're going all out speed, we hard spar every 4th class for 2 hours

chi sao is only a drill to build sensitivity and force and it's not about throwing punches faster than superman co_es! and chi sao competitions are stupid, it's a two man training tool, for each person.

then there's lot sao, which is keeping one hand in contact and hitting each other - i'm trying to explain(sorry) it's like clinch training in muay thai. I said LIKE lol

we do a drill were, someone stands in the middle surroumded by 8 or whatever number of people, and each one attacks starting one at a time, then very fast, randomly using any attack they want, roundhouse kick, hook, muay thia front kick, haymaker etc. Sometimes u get smacked on ya head, but it's fun.

something else, the instructor( a big guy) will put on boxing gloves, and throw single punches boxing style, for a time, then 2 punches, then combos, then just all out onslaught, what's the point, well getting used to being hit ,which is a reality, and no head guard on, learning to relax, not breaking under heavy pressure, footwork, and keeping your guard up, defo! Learning to redirect the force!

Trapping is something I did in the start having fast hands, then as I switched to a new class/new instructors that changed, punches in the face can do that lol. Watchin the class doing chi sao, you hardly see any trapping as in the flashy techniques, and trapping my instructor always told achieves nothing, you still have to something, so It's not something we have any focus on. why trap an arm when you can punch?

The idea of using gan sao against a knee is crazy, the legs deal with waist/low kicks, and theres counter kicking, no I never did chi gerk.

I was always taught to have respect for boxers, and not underestimate the power of a jab, so the way I been taught to pak sao, is almost similtaneous, control the hand ,before striking because you can't catch a jab! The instructors I learn from, have always said that sparring with boxers they've been caught and hurt, and I know this myself now. You can't outbox a boxer!

Punching the vertical fist punch has or should have power in it, and that transferes to punching horizontal fist(boxing etc) just keeping elbows in tight/ish against body and not pointing out, or a straight jab, wing chun pivots to punch rather than turning hip, but that's better for footwork/structure reasons for a wing chun fighter, that doesn't mean they can't use hip rotation.

Chain punching a lotta people subsitute speed for power, I've always been taught that if he's still standing after 5 chain punches do something else lol and chain punching should be done after an initial opening, like you lap soa
and punch, then chain punch,

Even if your a mma fighter, a muay thai stand up game, wing chun is useful yeah your not gonna change your standup of course that would be stupid, chi sao is a great tool/drill for a mma fighter to have/do, who can argue that having good sensitivity in your arms is bad? or dealing with force as in close range someone heavier, or from your back on the mat, controlling arms(not trapping) is'nt useful. I'm just giving this an example,

Aight so typing is started to do my heads on lol, but if someone disagrees which I'm sure will happen, I'm open to other opinions, I don't even mind hate if its funny!

Right I know I wrote the way I been taught a lot, it's probably annoying but I phrased this as best I could!

Yohan
8/14/2009 2:16pm,
tl;dr

Video?

Scott Larson
8/14/2009 2:25pm,
Why is every opening post about WING CHUN a full page?

lionknight
8/14/2009 3:29pm,
Why is every opening post about WING CHUN a full page?


Why does every Wing Chun thread start with the OP thinking THEY are the ones that do WC so different than every other WC school, that they are the REAL WC?

ZenOfAnger
8/14/2009 3:35pm,
WING CHUN Isn't all **** really!




I would agree. Some of it is piss.

Matt Phillips
8/14/2009 3:36pm,
All chun bashing aside, the attitude toward and training with boxing is an improvement over the usual horse twinkies.

lionknight
8/14/2009 4:01pm,
All chun bashing aside, the attitude toward and training with boxing is an improvement over the usual horse twinkies.


The problem is we have heard it before and the reality never quit matches the words used to describe it.

Starjumps said similar things, but when he posted his videos… :pottytrai

It is Fake
8/14/2009 4:02pm,
Yeah but, it is negated by the "he boxed but the chun is effective" that we have seen in every chun thread since I've been here.

wingchunx2z
8/14/2009 10:52pm,
Why is every opening post about WING CHUN a full page?

Cuz You need a full page to contain teh coolness of it. Wing Chun is just that awsome.

It is Fake
8/14/2009 11:05pm,
Cuz You need a full page to contain teh coolness of it. Wing Chun is just that awsome.

Exactly.

wingchunx2z
8/14/2009 11:55pm,
Exactly.

yep, it's so awsome it doesn't need an e.

It is Fake
8/15/2009 12:36am,
yep, it's so awsome it doesn't need an e.Yeah an awesome mistake.

shaolin pimp
8/15/2009 10:33am,
Why does every Wing Chun thread start with the OP thinking THEY are the ones that do WC so different than every other WC school, that they are the REAL WC?

I never said I do the REAL WC, just good wing chun. But yo it's just common sense that all wing chun isn't ****. I mean be real fs.

Props to ZenOfAnger for being funny...lol

I know before people even read the thread they were thinking bs lol! Okay so it was a long post, I was trying to put my point across. I swear some people get a hard on for chun bashing like some s&m muthafuckas..

Right look I agree that a lot of WC is ****, now I know you say everyone says that, well maybe they do, but I believe in testing **** out, meaning friendy (still hard, but not competition) sparring with thai boxers, mma, etc
it's also fun I enjoy sparring, and crosstraining, conditioniong.

**** people got a closed mind if they can't believe there is some good wing chun out there and I don't mean just where I train.

Crosstraining I do not cos wc is not effective, but I love muay thai and respect it, same with other styles, if you train hard enough I think anything can work.

I just think that wing chun has a higher percentage of cuntage than other styles like boxing, thai, kyokusin.

It is Fake
8/15/2009 1:42pm,
I never said I do the REAL WC, just good wing chun. But yo it's just common sense that all wing chun isn't ****. I mean be real fs.

Props to ZenOfAnger for being funny...lol

I know before people even read the thread they were thinking bs lol! Okay so it was a long post, I was trying to put my point across. I swear some people get a hard on for chun bashing like some s&m muthafuckas..

Right look I agree that a lot of WC is ****, now I know you say everyone says that, well maybe they do, but I believe in testing **** out, meaning friendy (still hard, but not competition) sparring with thai boxers, mma, etc
it's also fun I enjoy sparring, and crosstraining, conditioniong.

**** people got a closed mind if they can't believe there is some good wing chun out there and I don't mean just where I train.

Crosstraining I do not cos wc is not effective, but I love muay thai and respect it, same with other styles, if you train hard enough I think anything can work.

I just think that wing chun has a higher percentage of cuntage than other styles like boxing, thai, kyokusin.
Provide Video.

That's it.

People throw close minded around to much. Close minded isn't when you don't accept things at face value.

Based on all the evidence provided by every chunner, on this website, that posts an OP like yours it isn't true.

Now, as with another current thread, it is your job to convince us your chun is that much different.

Just because you didn't type the words, the connotation is still in your post.



I mean I'm embarrassed by a lot of the vids on youtube lol, and there's a lot of cnuts out there, but don't judge the whole system/style

Even if your a mma fighter, a muay thai stand up game, wing chun is useful yeah your not gonna change your standup of course that would be stupid, chi sao is a great tool/drill for a mma fighter to have/do, who can argue that having good sensitivity in your arms is bad?

we light spar last 30 mins of every class, light spar for skill development, which is the sme method that is done at the muay thai school, although we can hit each other hard, by light I mean we're going all out speed, we hard spar every 4th class for 2 hours

I have seen this post over and over for nearly five years.


The head instructor did boxing for years before wing chun. Which I think has had some impact how he teaches and his views on wing chun.

This is why you are getting the "not another chunner who has the real" comment.

I have seen at least a hundred posting chunners ignore the boxing, wrestling, and bjj to claim that their wing chun works and not all chun is crap.

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shaolin pimp
8/15/2009 3:47pm,
Okay I'm a noob on here, so I didn't know that. Do you think I lie about anything I wrote? why would I? **** what would I gain from typing some lies on a forum, but I think I get what you mean. But if I provided a video would that not just be me as a individual, and you could say ahh but that's cos you crosstrain in other styles? sure anyone wing chun guy that fights in NHB/mma fight that wins, isn't using wing chun, you get my point!

Nah I never threw close minded around quickly like believe me BITCH! I mean its like saying all fat girls like cake, I'm sure some do, but just cos there fat they won't all like cake...it is close minded if you can't believe the possibilty that all wing chun is not ****, and a bit naive,

Based on all the evidence provided by every chunner, on this website, that posts an OP like yours it isn't true. I'm not sure what you mean by this, were they lying??

anyway no I can't get a video of class, cos this just me talking, the instructors don't give a **** what people think on a forum, they don't do it as a job, so no need for advertising much.

**** I'm reading and I'm seeing how ya going to view this, like that's what they all say, I can understand that. But I did'nt join bullshido to be like the wing chun jesus, I just thought I'd drop an opinion!

Buffman
8/15/2009 3:57pm,
Drop opinion.... and then video back up for your statements