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Kentucky Fried Chokin
8/10/2009 4:47pm,
It saddens me to write this thread because Micheal was someone I liked. We never hanged out outside of class, but he was a training buddy and a good guy. That's why I'm hoping the accusations against, which I will write below, are false.

When I left for Brazil at the end of January, Micheal was a two-stripe blue belt. He's not exceptional, no BJ Penn, he still got submitted by white belts, but he was a solid blue belt. Our coach, James Foster (http://fosterbjj.com/), has always been fair with his gradings in my opinion. He doesn't charge for promotions or anything stupid like that. When he thinks you're ready, he calls you forward and gives you your new rank.

Micheal had been training and competing in MMA in addition to BJJ, but had been doing it at another school: Team Psycho. We have an program at Foster's but Micheal didn't like the way the guy ran it, which I can understand because he can have a very mitilary way of doing things (I think he was a USMC drill sergant or something). To give you an idea, this guy used to run a conditioning class, but since no one ever went to it more than once (it was a good class if someone puked), it has since been canceled.

Fast forward six months. I return from Brazil happy to see the everyone and amazed at how much some people improved. I ask about everyone I haven't seen, including Micheal, which is when I'm given the story bu Foster.

It turns out, and there's a thread here about it which I'm too lazy to find, that the owner and operator of Team Psycho is a third degree sex offender. This effectively ended the school. Micheal then left Foster's to open his own school, Gamebred Jiu-Jitsu (http://www.gamebredjiujitsu.com/index.html), in Tacoma and got promoted to the rank of third degree purple belt under a new instructor, Marcello Monteiro (http://www.gamebredjiujitsu.com/instructors.html), who he is also now affilated under.

From what I understand, the level of BJJ at Team Psycho wasn't very high. I was told that one of our two-stripe white belts went up there and trashed everyone, after which they offered to promote him to blue belt for $75.

So now, the people at Foster's (which I am not including myself in for the purposes of this thread) are accusing him of buying a belt from a new instructor and opening a school under him. Logic suggests that these accusations are correct since I find it pretty much impossible that someone can go from a two-stripe blue belt to a three-stripe purple belt in that little time. On a side note, his girlfriend, Shawndee, was a two-stripe white belt, and is now a one stripe blue belt. But I think it's worth noting that Micheal has absolutely alienated himself from the people at Foster's with his shitty business practices.

After forming his own school, and taking the former students of Team Psycho with him, he emailed students at Foster's, maligning Foster and telling them to join his gym. The students then forwarded the emails to Foster, who wrote to Micheal about it. Micheal appologized, saying that Monteiro was filling his head with all kinds of bullshit. Micheal has continued this practice by maligning the other MMA school in Tacoma, T-Town MMA.

I realize these aren't exactly war crimes, but if this is true, it also suggest that the Monteiro is selling belts to set a network of BJJ McDojos across the country and maybe he should have his own thread. But first things first.

Kentucky Fried Chokin
8/10/2009 4:50pm,
Maybe someone can visit the school and come back to write their thoughts. I would go myself, but I don't really have the time to go down to Tacoma and roll with him myself, since I'm about to have surgury and then go back to Brazil. I would also make a bad match up since he's only a featherweight (last I saw him) and I'm a middleweight.

I can also ask Foster to come on here and comment, and maybe make sure I got the details right. I'm not really sure about the timeline for when this all happened.

Cowardly Lurker
8/10/2009 5:03pm,
Thanks for bringing this up. Just a minor correction. First, Michael Proctor has, to my knowledge, no actual MMA fights, but claims to have had several amateur fights. I don't believe he's ever actually had a fight.

Otherwise, it looks like you've got the chronology pretty much right there. Sorry you got this dose of drama coming back from Brazil.

Some other things that bother me a little are that he has already has a blue belt affiliate who teaches at another location. I don't know the guy who teaches at the "affiliate" but it just rubs me the wrong way.

Kentucky Fried Chokin
8/10/2009 5:12pm,
Cowardly Lurker trains with me at Foster's is probably more familiar with the situation than I am.

But actaully he did have a fight on Saturday, which he did win. I watched Foster check into it on MySpace and found his opponent congradualte him on his victory. But one of the accusations is that he claims many MMA fights which he doesn't have. I didn't mention this because I couldn't find anywhere where he claims a number of fights that can be refuted.

datdamnmachine
8/10/2009 5:16pm,
You know what, a homeboy of mine trains there. He used to train at Team Psycho and is now with them. I'm going to shoot him an email with this thread and see what he says about things. I initially looked into the guy at Team Psycho and let it slide even though my spider-sense was tingling. This was way before the Bullshido thread. Then I found out all that mess about child molestation and felt bad for dropping the ball. I'm not going to drop it this time.

Kentucky Fried Chokin
8/10/2009 5:20pm,
I'd love to know what you're friend has to say. Also, how would you judge your friend's ability? Is accurate with his rank?

Cowardly Lurker
8/10/2009 5:25pm,
Cowardly Lurker trains with me at Foster's is probably more familiar with the situation than I am.

But actaully he did have a fight on Saturday, which he did win. I watched Foster check into it on MySpace and found his opponent congradualte him on his victory. But one of the accusations is that he claims many MMA fights which he doesn't have. I didn't mention this because I couldn't find anywhere where he claims a number of fights that can be refuted.I stand corrected.

I never had a problem with Mikey and hope that, now that you've brought it out in the open, everything gets cleared up. I haven't talked to him since he left, though.

That entire episode with "Coach K" was a nightmare. I still get really bent out of shape over that. There were a lot of kids in that guy's school. To be clear, though, I don't hold that against Mikey or anyone else.

Kentucky Fried Chokin
8/10/2009 5:32pm,
Do you know when exactly he left and started calling himself a purple belt? Was it right when Team Psycho folded (soon after I left). If so, he'd have been at the same skill level as when I saw him last.

I know that one of his accusations of Foster is that he only promotes his 'inner circle', which I'm assuming he means the people Foster sees most often and is most friendly with. Which makes sense, since if he sees you more often, you're training more often.

I think that Mikey thinks that he was already a purple belt, but just got passed over for promotion for some perceived personal reasons. But what's really silly, is that if Foster did have an inner circle, Mikey would be part of it! Foster trusted Mikey to run warm ups and teach first-timers how to hip escape.


That entire episode with "Coach K" was a nightmare. I still get really bent out of shape over that. There were a lot of kids in that guy's school. To be clear, though, I don't hold that against Mikey or anyone else.

I don't think anyone does.

datdamnmachine
8/10/2009 5:37pm,
Sent him the following email:


What's going on man. Hope all is well. Congratulations on your fight.

I wanted to talk to you about something. I remember speaking with you some time ago regarding your instructor at your previous MMA gym Team Psycho. Basically, the guy threw up a lot of red flags for me. You seemed happy with it so I decided to let it slip. Eventually though, a lot of stuff came out and from what I understand, everyone parted ways and started training somewhere else.

That brings me to this, I'd like to direct you to this thread on Bullshido.net. The website is basically a martial arts community committed to exposing BS in the martial arts. People with fake credentials, people claiming rank they did not earn, people claiming to be able to shoot fireballs, etc, etc, and so forth. You being in the martial arts for as long as you have, probably have seen a lot of this first hand. Essentially, the credentials of your current instructor, Michael Proctor, has been called into question. Essentially, it seems some people that used to train with him feel that his actual skill level do not match his rank. As such, an inquiry thread on Bullshido has been posted here:

Michael Proctor of Gamebred Jiu-Jitsu Tacoma, WA - No BS MMA and Martial Arts (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=88427)

If you want to come on there and say a few words or have Michael, himself, come on there and refute any of the claims, it would go a long way to putting this matter to rest.

One thing to keep in mind: This forum is not for the faint of heart. A lot of people can come off as mean-spirited and downright spiteful but most are good people who train hard and hate to see others who haven't put in their work attempt to benefit off the backs of those who have. That would be the best way I could describe.

If you want any additional information, just let me know. Your good people and I don't want to see you in the same situation you found yourself in previously.

Thanks for listening,

[my name removed]


I'd love to know what you're friend has to say. Also, how would you judge your friend's ability? Is accurate with his rank?

Not sure, we used to train back in 2004. We keep in touch via MySpace. I haven't had the chance to roll with him since then although I've seen him at a few BJJ tournaments. I have some time off of work at the beginning of next month. Basically, from Sept 4th until Spet 8th. I will probably be driving my car down there to have it serviced as it will probably be cheaper than up here where I'm at (Bellingham). If all parties are willing and if required, I can go down there and get some training in, talk to people, and whatnot.

For those who are curious, I am a 2-stripe Purple and my lineage can be found in my signature.

Cowardly Lurker
8/10/2009 5:38pm,
Do you know when exactly he left and started calling himself a purple belt? I know that one of his accusations of Foster is that he only promotes his 'inner circle', which I'm assuming he means the people Foster sees most often and is most friendly with. Which makes sense, since if he sees you more often, you're training more often.

I think that Mikey thinks that he was already a purple belt, but just got passed over for promotion for some perceived personal reasons. But what's really silly, is that if Foster did have an inner circle, Mikey would be part of it! Foster trusted Mikey to run warm ups and teach first-timers how to hip escape.
I suck with dates, but I think he left February 2009 as a 2 stripe blue belt and by June was a 3 stripe purple.

The allegation that James shows favoritism is baseless. Bing and Josh are two of the most talented guys in the school, both starting at around the same time as Mikey and they each received their purple belts within the last month or so... after the mundials.

MProctor
8/11/2009 2:55am,
First off I must start by saying that I was not suprised to see a forum about me. By saying this I mean, that I know I have a lot of people that do not particularly like me. Some of this due to my poor decisions in friends. I know that the more successful someone becomes due to their hard work and dedication is needless to say hated on by individuals or groups that may not agree with what they think they know.
Let me get one fact out of the way about a few guys. I respect Josh Calvo. I think he's a great athlete. I also think that Bing is a great BJJ practitioner. Simple fact... I brought Josh Calvo into Fosters for his first time. I had been training with James Foster for a while prior to that. I'm not sure how long but regardless, I brought him. I knew he would be great. Bing... I also trained with James before Bing began. I remember Bing as a white belt. He kicked my ass. Very strong guy. He just got more technical over time and became better and better, however; facts are facts, I was there first. You cannot compare me to them. If you do, then does it not makes sense that I am a purple belt too?
With all of this being said, if anyone has a question about me, ask. Come in and roll. I welcome anyone. Does a man with something to hide offer that?
I did not "buy" my belt. That is the most rediculous thing I've ever heard. If you would like to see my certificates and exactly who signed them, feel free to come see me.
Regarding Professor Marcello Monteiro. Professor Monteiro is a Carlos Gracie Black Belt. Anyone that thinks his credentials are fake needs to do some research very quickly. You cannot question a man like Monteiro. If you do, you're in the wrong sport. To say that he is selling belts is absurd and very disrespectful.
Regarding Team Psycho and T-Town MMA. I have nothing to do with them. Yes I have four students of the former Team Psycho in my academy. Four students. They were my friends and we stuck together through something that wasn't our fault. T-Town, I'm amazed at how many things are made up. A few of their students came to my academy and now someone is basically saying that I have some sort of involvement in T-Town MMA?
About my "poor business practices", I believe was said... the only "poor business practice" I have made are those which involved friendship. Sometimes friendship and business just shouldn't cross paths. Sometimes it does and we learn from it because this kind of stuff takes place.
To the person that began this thread, I would hope that you are man enough to ask me things yourself before you begin posting a forum about me. It isn't justified. I have not had one member of my former Team Foster EVER ask me anything themselves. I am not alienating myself, I am living my life. I have never stopped training or competing and just because it isn't in your bubble of knowledge gives you no reason to attempt to belittle me or my accomplishments, students or girlfriend.
I want to end this reply by saying that anyone is welcome to come to Gamebred Jiu-Jitsu and speak with me or even roll. My girlfriend ShawnDee is a two stripe blue belt. She has been training for nearly three years. If you question her, you can roll anytime and judge for yourself.
For those that know me and are professional enough to ask me personally, I welcome it.

God Bless

Michael Proctor

M.C.
8/11/2009 4:23am,
Just out of interest, do you think you were a purple belt before, who was held back or did you train up to the level you are now (purple 3rd degree) in the time frame mentioned? Did you compete recently in your "new" belt division? If so, how did you do?
Also how many MMA fights did you have, when and under which promotion?

Thank you for the info, have a nice day.

MProctor
8/11/2009 5:06am,
Just out of interest, do you think you were a purple belt before, who was held back or did you train up to the level you are now (purple 3rd degree) in the time frame mentioned? Did you compete recently in your "new" belt division? If so, how did you do?
Also how many MMA fights did you have, when and under which promotion?

Thank you for the info, have a nice day.

No problem.

I never thought I was held back per say, but I didn't agree with a no test system. I believe that every Instructor has their own curriculum, however; I also believe that an individual can progress properly with a testing system. In my opinion, if there is no testing system then the instructor is making decisions based on the wrong things. I prefer to test for my stripes instead of a random promotion anywhere from every month to every 6 months with no test. It's a matter of preference, not a matter of "being held back". There's a huge difference.

One of my best friends, whom I trained with for many years now is a black belt in Judo for the last 16+ years. The guy is at the very least a brown belt in BJJ. He has had a blue belt for over 3-4 years, not one stripe. Why? Because of a no testing system.

I believe I was a purple belt the day I received it and not one day before. I earn things. I offer an open invitation to anyone to come roll.

I have not competed at a purple belt level besides my MMA fight. I have been instructing since I was a two stripe blue belt. My last BJJ tournament was as a blue belt. I was planning to compete at Pan Ams or one of the bigger tournaments in the near future. Besides that I am instructing 6 days per week and training 4-6 hours per day.

I just recently fought my 1st MMA fight and won by Tapout via Omoplata. It was a great fight and my opponent is a great guy.

I don't think people understand what is going on. This is a sad attempt to damage me and my academy by a group of individuals.

M.C.
8/11/2009 8:44am,
First of all, congratulations on winning your fight.

Could you give us a "time line" of your bjj training, so people could see your side of the story? Something like:

2005 started BJJ at school X / with teacher X
2005-may got first stripe (teacher x)
2005-dec first tournament, ranked 3rd, got 2 stripes by teacher X
2006-may got blue belt by teacher X
2007 started teaching
2007/may got 2nd stripe on my blue by teacher Y for ranking 2nd in tournament z
2008 got my purple
etc.

You get the idea.

This way you could tell your point of view and others could get an unbiased overview...

Thank you.

UpaLumpa
8/11/2009 9:21am,
I respect Josh Calvo. I think he's a great athlete. I also think that Bing is a great BJJ practitioner. Simple fact... I brought Josh Calvo into Fosters for his first time. I had been training with James Foster for a while prior to that. I'm not sure how long but regardless, I brought him. I knew he would be great. Bing... I also trained with James before Bing began. I remember Bing as a white belt. He kicked my ass. Very strong guy. He just got more technical over time and became better and better, however; facts are facts, I was there first. You cannot compare me to them. If you do, then does it not makes sense that I am a purple belt too?

Since this is phrased as a question... no. BJJ belts are not just awarded based on how long you've been training. If those guys consistently kicked your ass that means they're better than you and deserve to be ranked higher than you. Did you train as frequently as them? Was your conditioning from outside of training at the same level? Were they maybe just more gifted?

Time in means crap. There are guys that started close to two years after I did at my school that are brown belts, while I sit here as a pretty shitty purple. That's just the way of the world and at some point you have to suck it up and deal. What you don't do is start your own school and find someone to buy a higher rank from, that's bs and pretty chicken ****.

Awarding belts based just on time makes the belts worth very little. Belts are based on the sweat you lose training and your skills. Sounds like you did fine on the first but weren't quite there on the second.

It is Fake
8/11/2009 9:38am,
First off I must start by saying that I was not suprised to see a forum about me. By saying this I mean, that I know I have a lot of people that do not particularly like me. Some of this due to my poor decisions in friends. I know that the more successful someone becomes due to their hard work and dedication is needless to say hated on by individuals or groups that may not agree with what they think they know.
Let me get one fact out of the way about a few guys. I respect Josh Calvo. I think he's a great athlete. I also think that Bing is a great BJJ practitioner. Simple fact... I brought Josh Calvo into Fosters for his first time. I had been training with James Foster for a while prior to that. I'm not sure how long but regardless, I brought him. I knew he would be great. Bing... I also trained with James before Bing began. I remember Bing as a white belt. He kicked my ass. Very strong guy. He just got more technical over time and became better and better, however; facts are facts, I was there first. You cannot compare me to them. If you do, then does it not makes sense that I am a purple belt too?
With all of this being said, if anyone has a question about me, ask. Come in and roll. I welcome anyone. Does a man with something to hide offer that?
I did not "buy" my belt. That is the most rediculous thing I've ever heard. If you would like to see my certificates and exactly who signed them, feel free to come see me.
Regarding Professor Marcello Monteiro. Professor Monteiro is a Carlos Gracie Black Belt. Anyone that thinks his credentials are fake needs to do some research very quickly. You cannot question a man like Monteiro. If you do, you're in the wrong sport. To say that he is selling belts is absurd and very disrespectful.
Regarding Team Psycho and T-Town MMA. I have nothing to do with them. Yes I have four students of the former Team Psycho in my academy. Four students. They were my friends and we stuck together through something that wasn't our fault. T-Town, I'm amazed at how many things are made up. A few of their students came to my academy and now someone is basically saying that I have some sort of involvement in T-Town MMA?
About my "poor business practices", I believe was said... the only "poor business practice" I have made are those which involved friendship. Sometimes friendship and business just shouldn't cross paths. Sometimes it does and we learn from it because this kind of stuff takes place.
To the person that began this thread, I would hope that you are man enough to ask me things yourself before you begin posting a forum about me. It isn't justified. I have not had one member of my former Team Foster EVER ask me anything themselves. I am not alienating myself, I am living my life. I have never stopped training or competing and just because it isn't in your bubble of knowledge gives you no reason to attempt to belittle me or my accomplishments, students or girlfriend.
I want to end this reply by saying that anyone is welcome to come to Gamebred Jiu-Jitsu and speak with me or even roll. My girlfriend ShawnDee is a two stripe blue belt. She has been training for nearly three years. If you question her, you can roll anytime and judge for yourself.
For those that know me and are professional enough to ask me personally, I welcome it.

God Bless

Michael Proctor

Hello and thanks for answering questions. Please, please please stick to the questions asked.

This is to help you, not a warning or any type of threat. When people, under scrutiny, start to meander problems arise and threads tend to get ugly.

I'm just trying to give you a heads up because:


With all of this being said, if anyone has a question about me, ask. Come in and roll. I welcome anyone. Does a man with something to hide offer that?Yes, we have three current threads were this has happened. We have many older ones where this has happened and led to ugly exchanges. Weirdly they are mainly MMA and BJJ threads like this one.

I understand that you are mad. No one likes to be under scrutiny. Just answer the questions and try to keep your cool.

It is a Thread on a forum.