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Neuro
1/26/2004 3:38pm,
I've taken, for 12 years, a mix of karate and BJJ, cause my teacher was a 3rd dan in traditional wado karate and a brown belt in BJJ under Carlson Gracie, in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.

I've moved to another city and now I have to find another dojo.

What would you recommend, between Aikikai Aikido, Kodokan Judo and Krav Maga ? Why ?

I am not trying to diminish any style, but I would like an honest opinion, comparing pro's and con's of these arts.

Also, I am NOT interested in taking BJJ, which of course, is widely available here in Brazil

LLL
1/26/2004 3:41pm,
Judo.

John A Butz
1/26/2004 3:42pm,
Watch the classes and see which one you like better. Talk to the instructors, observe the students, and determine where you would like to train.

As for the arts, I can only really speak for aikido, and as I am not an Aikikai stylist, I can't give you great detail. Aikikai runs the gamut from incredibly good to very very bad in terms of quality of technique and instruction. Depending on the attitude and ability of the instructor, you will either learn a good number of suplementary techniques and principles that you can attach to what you already know, or you end up with totally cooperative, compliant, "spiritual" training that is very far removed from reality. If you had Tomiki or Yoshinkan aikido availible, you might consider them first.

Check it all out, see what you like.

Student
1/26/2004 3:52pm,
what are your goals at this point??

BeLikeWater
1/26/2004 4:01pm,
Judo

PizDoff
1/26/2004 4:06pm,
Got school websites?

I'd say either Judo (to help even MORE in your takedowns) or Krav Maga (more self-defence oriented.) It really depends on the school (instructors and other students) though.

BeLikeWater
1/26/2004 4:12pm,
krav maga gun disarms seem likely to get one shot

punchingdummy
1/26/2004 4:18pm,
Originally posted by BeLikeWater
krav maga gun disarms seem likely to get one shot

Getting a shot off (or not) is not as important as muzzle control.

BeLikeWater
1/26/2004 4:24pm,
yeah the problem is you get shot in the face when you grab a gun and move it towards the sky when it's pointed at your chest

not to mention NOT moving out of the way but instead attempting a groin kick...

punchingdummy
1/26/2004 4:40pm,
Sure, if someone is dumb enough to do that. Is that really what Krav Maga teaches???

The priorities are (a) muzzle control - which includes your own body manipulation, (b) trigger control and then (c) weapon control. In most situations, a kick to the groin will increase the chances of that head shot.

the problem with styles like Krav Maga is that it's pretty diffuclt to practice at something close to full speed/fullpower.

punchingdummy
1/26/2004 4:42pm,
Originally posted by punchingdummy

The priorities are (a) muzzle control - which includes your own body manipulation, (b) trigger control and then (c) weapon control. In most situations, a kick to the groin will increase the chances of that head shot.



That is if at least (A) is not established first. Once you have b or c...then kick away!

Freddy
1/26/2004 4:43pm,
I would say take both judo and krav magda. With krav magda you learn the basics in a short while.

Punisher
1/26/2004 4:49pm,
"yeah the problem is you get shot in the face when you grab a gun and move it towards the sky when it's pointed at your chest

not to mention NOT moving out of the way but instead attempting a groin kick..."

I donít know what you have seen but the good Krav Maga stuff is pretty damn good, that includes the stuff involving guns. My schoolís gun defenses are almost identical in application and strategy.

And as for trying to raise the gun up into the air, when it is pointed at your chest, there are valid reasons to do this. Probably the biggest one is innocent bystanders. What good is a disarm that makes you safe, but points the gun directly at your wife who was walking at your side?

BeLikeWater
1/26/2004 5:16pm,
wouldn't pointing it down and shooting the little head be better than up and shooting the big head? :) both keep the wife safe...

WhiteShark
1/26/2004 5:37pm,
Kodokan Judo? Uh uh ride them NUTZ!!11

Translation: "Sir may I suggest you give Judo a try?"

Greese
1/26/2004 5:43pm,
JUDO!