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Mesteren
7/23/2009 8:55pm,
I just wonder, how is the one step done in your class. In our class the attacker pick an attack of his choise, and the defender has to defend himself with a block and/or counter-attack without knowing what the attackers move is. My impression is that there isnt many places which does that, they just have a preset attack.

Is this totally wrong or something?

DerAuslander
7/23/2009 9:02pm,
One steps are totally wrong.

Leave your dojang.

Kilbourn
7/23/2009 10:19pm,
I never did the one step or any step sparing for that matter. Are you WTF, ITF or something else? It tends to be more common in ITF schools.

jfitzy
7/23/2009 11:41pm,
When i trained ITF this is exactly how we did it (as you described it) but in WTF (i still lulz at that) I dont remember doing it at all.

jspeedy
7/24/2009 12:35am,
One step is that a dance?

Mesteren
7/24/2009 5:55am,
Yeah, its ITF.

Is it all ITF'ers who do like that, and just the WTF and ATA who have a preset?

(And i choose to ignore those stupid replies which doesnt have something with my question to do.)

kwoww
7/24/2009 7:07am,
never really did one-steps in my tkd school.

there were some basic one-step-like punch defense techniques but we really only did those once in a while.

therefore, i get to laugh at you for doing one steps.

DerAuslander
7/24/2009 10:14am,
(And i choose to ignore those stupid replies which doesnt have something with my question to do.)

Wrong.

You are training in an inferior method that will hinder your progress in martial arts. Discussions advocating such are completely against the ethos of the Korean Martial Arts forum and Bullshido in general.

One step sparring is a horrible training method for self-defense & is a shining example of everything that is dead & stagnant in Taekwondo.

Kilbourn
7/24/2009 11:23am,
Listen to Der he’s dead on, but for the sake of clarity I’ll break it down for you. Step sparing, when one person attacks the defender and the defender blocks and counters, is good for white belts because it allows them a taste of being attacked but the focus is on timing and technique. BUT, one you’ve learned the basics from step sparing you’ve got to take it to the next level with free sparing.

This transition should take place around the first 3 months of training but most schools teach step sparing through black belt. This goes along with what Der was saying about Taekwondo being dead and stagnant, it spends so much time with step sparing, board breaking, and forms that little time is spent where it matters the most. Free sparring.

Now your question is if the way you do step sparing is correct. The answer is yes. But here on Bullshido questions that deal with what we believe is not effective training or fighting techniques will NOT be taken very well.




You are training in an inferior method that will hinder your progress in martial arts. Discussions advocating such are completely against the ethos of the Korean Martial Arts forum and Bullshido in general.

edit: spelling errors

maofas
7/24/2009 2:15pm,
Personally, I like one-steps for day-one beginners. They should, however, naturally and organically evolve into real-time sparring drills though almost immediately.

I see a lot of piss-poor examples of one-steps on YouTube. The entire point (imo) is to provide a safe, controlled environment for full-intent attacks. If the person isn't lunging in full speed/power and really trying to take up your space, it sucks (the telegraph of the lunge makes the use of full speed safe for the beginner). If the defender is staying in the line of fire to block & counter against a static opponent who can't follow-up, it sucks. If the uke is frozen in time after the lunge punch while tori moves all around him doing the dance of death ala Bujinkan, it sucks.

Regardless of what you do though, one steps are never going to be realistic fight training. All I like them for is:

1) Teaching people to not panic when stuff comes flying at their face.

2) Practice basic evasion to 45 degree angles vs. straight attacks.

3) Letting people play with the attack and realize just how little they need to move in order to evade. They learn to receive it rather than jumping 10 feet away from it.

Now, could you learn all that just by starting with regular sparring drills, but toning down the speed and intent? Sure and you should (like I said, almost immediately move on to regular sparring drills). I just think it's also good for beginners to also experience full intent attacks in a safe way in order to teach them to not be gun-shy.

There's also a few little extras I add to try and keep a realistic sense of timing in the drill. First using your breathing as a sort of metronome (this might be hard to explain purely in text), second, adding a followup punch after the initial attack. If they're stepping off the line of attack and countering in proper time, attack #2 is irrelevent and just keeps things slightly honest. They're not going to develop a good sense of timing per se (other drills & sparring are better for that), but it keeps them from developing a false sense of timing at least.

No Name
7/24/2009 4:44pm,
[quote=Kilbourn;2176978]
This goes along with what Der was saying about Taekwondo being dead and stagnant, it spends so much time with step sparing, board breaking, and forms that little time is spent where it matters the most. Free sparring.

You said it perfectly

Mesteren
7/24/2009 5:24pm,
Thanks for enlightening me.

(Feeling so stupid i am going to slap myself in the face the rest of the day)

DerAuslander
7/24/2009 5:33pm,
Just remember to properly telegraph that slap & select the proper block & counter for it.

Vieux Normand
7/24/2009 5:47pm,
Just remember to properly telegraph that slap & select the proper block & counter for it.

It's all in the selection:

If he comes at you with a mom-tong ji-lu-ki, then close the distance, pick him up and slam him headfirst on the dojang floor.

On the other hand, if the attack is, say, an up-chuck-ee, then close the distance, pick him up and slam him headfirst on the dojang floor.

See? The variations are endless.

DerAuslander
7/24/2009 5:54pm,
Up-chuck-ee?

Mesteren
7/24/2009 5:57pm,
One more thing: I actually dont like our sparring. I feel i am learning to pull my techniques and they become powerless. Luckily i dont listen to my instructor 'bout that, but then again... nobody wants to spar me either.

Im thinking once i get my black belt i'll go train ju jitsu instead. Sounds like a good plan right?