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newbie999
7/21/2009 4:48pm,
Hey All,

I've been thinking about getting a heavy bag for my garage. I was thinking of getting a wall mount or ceiling mount because it's easier to move out and park out cars this way when it is not in use. I've heard a bunch of stories about how mounting to studs can cause a bunch of long term damage because your home supports aren't good to use for a heavy bag.

The other thing I'm noticing is there are some professional models like:

Ceiling mount for $200
http://store.titleboxing.com/title-platinum-ceiling-mount.html


and this wall mount one for $300
http://store.titleboxing.com/title-platinum-standard-wall-mount.html

vs.

A wall mount one for $80
http://store.titleboxing.com/hbhdw.html

Ceiling Mount for $20
http://www.ringside.com/IMAGES/HBH-4.JPG

Anothe Ceiling Mount for $20
http://www.ringside.com/IMAGES/HBH-2.JPG

I was hoping I could get some myth separated from truth here. I don't have exposed studs so I would have to drill through drywall to bolt it down. I want to put a 100 lb thai bag in. Do you have to get a pro model or are you fine with the cheaper models?

I tried search a bit for this on the forum but didn't find anything. Sorry if my search skillz suck if I am posting about a topic that has already been covered already.

jnp
7/22/2009 8:31am,
I don't have a problem with you posting this thread in the Basic Technique forum, but no one is replying. Maybe you'll have better luck in YMAS newbie999. It certainly gets more traffic.

Angry Mandrill
7/22/2009 9:34am,
Hey All,

I've been thinking about getting a heavy bag for my garage. I was thinking of getting a wall mount or ceiling mount because it's easier to move out and park out cars this way when it is not in use. I've heard a bunch of stories about how mounting to studs can cause a bunch of long term damage because your home supports aren't good to use for a heavy bag.

The other thing I'm noticing is there are some professional models like:

Ceiling mount for $200
http://store.titleboxing.com/title-platinum-ceiling-mount.html


and this wall mount one for $300
http://store.titleboxing.com/title-platinum-standard-wall-mount.html

vs.

A wall mount one for $80
http://store.titleboxing.com/hbhdw.html

Ceiling Mount for $20
http://www.ringside.com/IMAGES/HBH-4.JPG

Anothe Ceiling Mount for $20
http://www.ringside.com/IMAGES/HBH-2.JPG

I was hoping I could get some myth separated from truth here. I don't have exposed studs so I would have to drill through drywall to bolt it down. I want to put a 100 lb thai bag in. Do you have to get a pro model or are you fine with the cheaper models?

I tried search a bit for this on the forum but didn't find anything. Sorry if my search skillz suck if I am posting about a topic that has already been covered already.

go with the first $20 ceiling mount. if you live in a house built in the last 20-30 years, your joists are gonna be pre-fab 2x4 construction, which you'll have to reinforce. if they're solid beams, 2x10 or larger, then you're okay. the only way to find out is to tear out some ceiling. but this is your garage, and garages should be rough and manly. you with me?

okay, if solid, put some 2x4 cross-braces in between the joists in the area where you intend to hang the bag, maybe every foot over four feet from center, ends cut to 45-degree angles, top to bottom, as in the picture below.

if pre-fab, get a sheet of 3/4 inch plywood. cut lengthwise to fit the joists. you're gonna screw them in vertically, on either side of your target joist, to span the open area between the top 2x4 and the bottom 2x4, in effect making a joist sandwich. there's no convenient picture of this, but if you look here and imagine closing off both open sides to make something you can't see through...

once you thusly reinforce your joists, screw the bag mount in the center of all your reinforcements. unless you're nfl-lineman size and planning on using the bag for tackling practice, you should be good. and now you have a huge hole in your ceiling, to boot. cut back all edges to joists, screw them down. buy a sheet of drywall, cut it to fit, get a friend to help you hold it up, screw (not nail) it into place. never bother spackling to complete the job, it's too much work.

let me know how it goes. take pictures

newbie999
7/22/2009 9:45am,
I think I'm understanding this bit. I'll go take some pictures tonight for reference for everyone.

In the meantime, this is a really great example of how the supports above the drywall ceiling will look like:

http://www.wga-inspect.com/photos/122105-atticfan.jpg


The great thing is I have an attic in my house that I can go up to an take pictures of the support and reforce the structure without cutting out any drywall. I think I understand what your taking it's the same concept that I had to do when I installed our ceiling fans in our front porch (I have to reforce the beams where the ceiling fans went in). I will take pictures of the proposed area and what I did with my ceiling fan to reforce the structure because it sounds similar. You find two support where you want to place the support and nail the support IN BETWEEN the two support beams right above the drywall then you can mount your heavy bag mount with this?

Angry Mandrill
7/22/2009 10:14am,
hey, those are beeeyoutiful joists. get the mount i suggested, the first one for $20, and screw it directly into one of those things. you don't have to reinforce anything. they're at least 3x8, right? if so, you're good to go.

and next time, post the pics first, will ya? save me from all that windbaggery about something you don't even need...

Angry Mandrill
7/22/2009 10:15am,
You find two support where you want to place the support and nail the support IN BETWEEN the two support beams right above the drywall then you can mount your heavy bag mount with this?

nope, go directly into a joist, not between.

newbie999
7/22/2009 11:11am,
hey, those are beeeyoutiful joists. get the mount i suggested, the first one for $20, and screw it directly into one of those things. you don't have to reinforce anything. they're at least 3x8, right? if so, you're good to go.

and next time, post the pics first, will ya? save me from all that windbaggery about something you don't even need...

Those aren't my joints, but an example of one. I'll take measurements and pictures just in case.

newbie999
7/22/2009 12:36pm,
What about mounting it something like this so the support is shared by several joints:

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/soesnake/Picture008.jpg

Looks a bit tacky. Just being a bit paranoid about just drilling into a single support beam and it just falling out a few years in the future. Mostly from what the guy stated on his picture:

http://www.boxingforum.com/boxing-equipment-reviews/2791-review-ringside-heavy-bag.html

Angry Mandrill
7/22/2009 1:12pm,
Those aren't my joints, but an example of one. I'll take measurements and pictures just in case.

joists, with an 's'. i'll wait for your pics to give any more advice, since it appears i'm totally talking out my ass.

i will say that my old house had big fat 3x10s, into which i screwed one big hook and a one inch coil spring. that was plenty. my heavy bag is a standard 80-pound everlast.

when i moved into the new place last september, i looped a big-ass piece of chain around three closely-placed prefab-style joists and called it good. no reinforcement of any kind. it's been a year and no problem.

Angry Mandrill
7/22/2009 1:13pm,
What about mounting it something like this so the support is shared by several joints:

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/soesnake/Picture008.jpg

Looks a bit tacky. Just being a bit paranoid about just drilling into a single support beam and it just falling out a few years in the future. Mostly from what the guy stated on his picture:

http://www.boxingforum.com/boxing-equipment-reviews/2791-review-ringside-heavy-bag.html

and yeah, this is a joke. nice spring, though

DdlR
7/22/2009 1:20pm,
If you use loops of bunjee cord instead of chain, it cuts down on a whole lot of noise (and, I'm assuming, reduces potential damage to the support).

Kuma
7/22/2009 1:35pm,
If you use loops of bunjee cord instead of chain, it cuts down on a whole lot of noise (and, I'm assuming, reduces potential damage to the support).Are we talking a single bungee connection to the mount, or a complete replacement of all chain? And could you then mount it to several points on the ceiling at once, like hitting two adjacent joists at two points each?

I know that would make it significantly more annoying to move it out of the way when you need the space, but this is something I'm pondering myself, and I know exactly nothing about actual construction.

newbie999
7/22/2009 1:40pm,
Support brace concept to illustrate what I was referring. Will get a real pictures for all:

http://www.belowcostappliances.com/images/fan-ceiling-hole.gif

Angry Mandrill
7/22/2009 1:52pm,
If you use loops of bunjee cord instead of chain, it cuts down on a whole lot of noise (and, I'm assuming, reduces potential damage to the support).

how many bungees did you use? i can see several of them together being strong enough to do the job. strong straps, like the kind used by moving companies for strapping **** down, would also work well i think.

i use the chain 'cause i had it lying around. i put a couple screws through links up on the joists to keep it from sliding back and forth and chewing up the wood. works fine.

DdlR
7/22/2009 1:58pm,
Are we talking a single bungee connection to the mount, or a complete replacement of all chain? And could you then mount it to several points on the ceiling at once, like hitting two adjacent joists at two points each?

I know that would make it significantly more annoying to move it out of the way when you need the space, but this is something I'm pondering myself, and I know exactly nothing about actual construction.

I haven't hung a bag for about 10 years, but IIRC I used the chains that came with the bag and replaced the "hanging chain" (which was intended to connect the D-ring to the ceiling mount) with 3-4 loops of heavy-duty bunjee cord. I guess you could replace all the chains with bunjee, but the method I described did significantly reduce the noise and vibration.

Angry Mandrill
7/22/2009 2:07pm,
Support brace concept to illustrate what I was referring. Will get a real pictures for all:

http://www.belowcostappliances.com/images/fan-ceiling-hole.gif

that won't be strong enough to hold your bag. you want to go into the joists themselves. if you want to do something like the diagram, you'll need to span the joists with a vertically-oriented block, not a horizontally-oriented one. in other words, take the 'support brace' in the diagram and flip it so that the wide part is up and down, not side to side. the flat, wide part of the wood is weakest. the edge, with a vertical load, is strongest. that's why joists stand on their edges. all that said, this still won't be as strong as going directly into a joist.