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SgtJaws
3/01/2005 1:40pm,
Guys I dont know where else to turn *cries in anger!* I have uncovered some serious Bullshido, a bullshido network infact and its in the UK. Here is what I have to support my claims.
1 I know a guy who is currently training in it and he told me this: His master can know out and hurt people from accross the room, last week they totally changed the way that they kick technique wise and had to learn all kicks again! They have a "master" called grand master chusan (whom no one has heard of and who has changed his name 3 times, fraud?) He also commented on how they do 1 step punch drills and do this and that and this and that when someone throws a punch (you know what I mean!!)
2 Its 25 pounds for 1 hour lesson!!!!!!
3 There is a rule where you cannot learn any other styles as it is "disrespectful"
4 Some guys who post on the net seem to be brainwashed by all this **** and their "master" quotes using phrases from real japanese masters and passes it off as his own!
5 They learn the following styles! fist of the bamboo spear???? (i know) bushido karate, akido, akido ti??, and all manner of ancient weapons. 1 hr a week...hmm
6 Their students also refuse to answer basic questions on the net when asked and one "sensei" banned his students looking at a forum which showed him for what he really is!

http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000902.html check this thread, also try searching on google for master chusan lol! They call their system bushido, more like bullshido in my eyes!

Help me guys, I need you verdict on this, theres some serious **** goin on with this place!

BigJoe

SamHarber
3/01/2005 1:43pm,
Not my neck of the woods sadly. Theres a few members from down that end who may be able to check them out.

feedback
3/01/2005 1:45pm,
Street Fighting ( Budo - Te : this is the 'Original' and should not to be confused with 'copy names' )

Well if he says so, ****.

SgtJaws
3/01/2005 1:49pm,
There are schools in a variety of places here is their main page, http://www.bushido.me.uk/contacts.html they are spreading lol.

Grant
3/01/2005 1:56pm,
Thse guys are in Reading so I could probably go and check them out.

SgtJaws
3/01/2005 2:03pm,
Thse guys are in Reading so I could probably go and check them out.
That would be cool, Im aiming to check out the Nottingham branch if I get time! I really dont like the sound of these guys so far and what others say on them is questionable to say the least!
Has anyone got experience with these guys? Or does anyone know anyone whos paying 25 for 1 friggin lesson 2 times a week!!!!

BigJoe

beka
3/01/2005 2:10pm,
I've heard of them before. I'm pretty certain about their bullshido status.

Unfortunately, I'm all the way over in Sunny California, so I'm of no help.

NextGuard
3/01/2005 2:21pm,
this and that when someone throws a punch (you know what I mean!!)
2 Its 25 pounds for 1 hour lesson!!!!!!



They claim they give a free first private lesson

>>
A FREE private lesson with Sensei James Seaward normally follows to further assess your needs. (loose clothing suggested.)

The Interview is an important stage in ensuring that Arts taught are passed only to responsible students.<<

Do you mean they charge 25 pounds after that for a group lesson or for further private lessons or that they don't really give a free lesson?


Edit: Checking the link I see it's one on one instruction

>>But what concerned me most of all is the price that my mate is paying. Approx 25 / hr for one to one tuition.<<

That sure doesn't seem unreasonable to me. At 40 hours a week (which probably isn't possible the guy would earn 50,000 a year. Practically he's lucky to make 2/3 of that.

Jekyll
3/01/2005 9:26pm,
I'll be in cambridge at some point over Easter.
I dont see what the point is in dropping by but if you can give me a good reason I'll do it.

SgtJaws
3/02/2005 4:37am,
The good reason it to prove once and for all that what these guys are teaching and preaching is a crock of ****. If one of us turns up there and they are actually good fighters then then they are good fighters end of story! but according to what my friend says and does, these guys are the ultimate in bullshido. Its sad to see people being sucked in and given a false sense of security for an extortionate price by a fake master chusan whos real name is pete delane! Huh!

Peace

Gezere
3/02/2005 4:58am,
Just on the fake asian sounding name and arts that really don't exist makes it Bullshido. They may be the greatest MArtist the world has seen but I severly doubt it. DM and others report back on what you find out about these guys.

Meex
3/02/2005 5:07am,
Each of you that can go. . .pleae take the free class, and sit through the interview. Have your "fake persona, goals, and reasonable requests" already figured out before hand.
Use the time to assess the place, the instructor(s), the curriculum, and their McDojo status.
$50+ an hour for private, one-to-one lessons isn't expensive.

Report back your findings. . .facts, impressions, then whatever else you thought.
Good luck!

`~/

Grant
3/02/2005 10:30am,
Wow, one in Yately! I'll swing by soon.

Grant
3/02/2005 10:35am,
I am not sure how I am going to do this, I will just take the free class and report back to you guys, alternatively if someone has a better plan (short of challenging the master to a death match) I am prepared to listen to that.

SamHarber
3/02/2005 10:41am,
I've just had a skim through the website. Grand Master Chusan is actually called Pete Delane. As part of your free lesson, you have to sit through an introductory message from Grand Master Chusan. You then get to have a chat with a human about what you want to acheive.
They also recommend 1 hours training per week. The private lessons are actually small groups.



As the school has grown in the UK our standards have been consistantly raised. We have shunned the commercialism rampant in martial arts in the West, in favour of the spirit of excellence. Consequently we believe we offer the best tuition available anywhere in the world.

SamHarber
3/02/2005 10:44am,
I am not sure how I am going to do this, I will just take the free class and report back to you guys, alternatively if someone has a better plan (short of challenging the master to a death match) I am prepared to listen to that.
Go in, ask about the free lesson. When asked, say that you're disenchanted by the kickboxing as it fosters a competetive and aggressive atmosphere. You're also intrigued by the idea of small class sizes (make up some crap about feeling ignored by your coach, because he only concentrates on those fighting in matches).