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Phrost
11/01/2002 5:59pm,
Michael (http://www.mcdojo.com/pop_profile.asp?mode=display&id=150) submitted us this justification (http://www.mcdojo.com/article_read.asp?id=96) for rigorous belt testing, specifically for the rank of "A Real Black Belt":

Recently a colleague asked why our Blackbelt Challenges are six hours long. I pondered about how could I articulate the deeply personal experience of testing for a blackbelt with our school. How could I explain to an outsider the significance of our testing process...

The Truth (http://www.mcdojo.com/pop_profile.asp?mode=display&id=619) also contributed his views on several martial artists in the New Jersy area, in his article The Jersey Jerk Offs (http://www.mcdojo.com/article_read.asp?id=97)

I have been following this website for a while now and see one major trend. A lot of these clowns live in my home state. New Jersey!! So I am here to set the record straight about a unique group of guys. Guys I term The Jersey Jerk offs!!! I have them listed alphabetically so I do not show any favoritism towards my biggest nomination for the head jerk off award. And Heeeerrrrreeeeeee we go:

law2747
11/02/2002 12:44am,
I agree with you. I met Mr. Patire and researched his style and found nothing to confirm that it existed. As far as Phil Dunlap goes, I trained with him and he once told me that he had attended a grappling event with Rickson Gracie and that he had made him tap out.

I will say that both guys were exceptionally nice guys. I rolled with Phil when I was a beginner, and he whipped my ass.

As far as Patire goes, the guy was always a gentleman.

me
11/02/2002 6:19am,
I trained with Phil Dunlap for about 4 years and I heard him speaking about having met Rickson Gracie prior to the first UFC on numerous occasions. I think you may have not remembered the story because I always heard him speak of it as how he knew Royce would win the first UFC. The story was something along the line of he had worked out with Rickson once in California at the school Rickson trained at. He said Rickson was fantastic but I never heard him say anything about who tapped who or how many times. As a matter of fact in the 4 years I knew him I know he had worked with several people with big reputations and never heard him talking about anybody tapping anybody in training.

I just want to state the facts to my knowledge, as this is how internet pissing contests start.

Mike S

me
11/02/2002 6:50am,
Truth

Man you have a problem with just about everybody.

My feelings on Mr.Patire are pretty much already stated.

I have had exchanges with Mr. Stevens on this forum and he seemed pretty strait forward
to me. As far as I understand he actually competes in BJJ/Grappling events. Calling him gay is pretty childish.

As to Phil Dunlap you get upset because some guy gives himself rank than you get upset that Phil doesnít have any. I found in researching Burmese martial arts there was no traditional ranking system. If it were a made up system why would he then believe in it.
I have never heard or seen Phil make claims or statements that I could trace to being false or misleading and have researched South East Asian Martial Arts in depth. I have found most of the history Phil has given me to be verifiable. I know for a FACT Phil has fought under many different rules and makes no ridiculous claims.

I trained with Phil for 4 years and know him pretty well. As I have taken the time to read your profile and see that you are a tremendous martial artists I am pretty sure he would love to train with you so you could show him how what he practices doesnít work. He has an open door policy his email is [email protected] . With your tremendous skill and knowledge you may be able to get a number of students for yourself when you show how confused the poor Bando guys are.

By the way how did you do at the quest? I am confident you took first in the Advanced div. of your weight class.

I donít know the others you mention but if your ďtruthĒ and ďfactsĒ about them are as well researched as those about Phil I have a problem believing any of them.

Mike S

The Truth
11/02/2002 5:25pm,
Wow, Me is very protective of Phil Dunlap, Can Me be Phil? Hmmmmmmmm. He even has Phil's email handy and knows quite a bit about his background. Including training in Cali, and this ficticious story about tapping Rickson. It is funny that it is mentioned here, because I heard that same story. Is it just a coincidence or can it really be the story that (me,Dunlap) really told people.

Let everyone else be the judge.

This coincidence sounds eerily similar to me.

The Truth Speaks Again!

me
11/02/2002 7:58pm,
You caught me I defended Phil so I must be him I am so ashamed.

I consider Phil a good friend and apologize for defending a friend, of course you are correct and I am way off base as you are the truth and we must deal with it.

Mike S but you can call me Phil, Mike, Me, it makes no difference, as I do not plan on arguing with you

The Truth
11/02/2002 9:04pm,
One last thing Me,

I have read on the Patire post someone calling you a coward accusing you of claiming to be Mike S from the Fast Defense website. If you are not the same person, why the moniker ME, as signed by Mike S?

The Truth

me
11/02/2002 9:35pm,
I am not sure what he is talking about I usually sign up for a forum as Me or Just Me
and my name is Mike Singer so I sign posts Mike S. I think he objected to me signing a post Mike S because another person on that forum is named Mike and has a last name that starts with S. I am done with the Patire thing, as I know Iím not going to get any answers.

I am a little confused, after your article you state you want all these guys to get together and fight each other? I would assume some of them are friends and if you have the problem with them why would they fight with each other. With your 28 years of experience in kickboxing, wrestling and BJJ I thought you would just go by each of their schools and show them up in front of their students just think what it would do for your schools enrollment. If you couldnít get to a major event you were planning on going to that is scheduled months in advance what makes you think any of these people could get someplace you want them to be when there is nothing in it for them?

Mike S but you can call me Phil, Mike, Me

The Truth
11/03/2002 1:09am,
Mike Singer,

Are you the same Mike Singer that is from Dallas Texas?

I simply stated my knowledge of the Jersey guys, I personally never said I wanted to fight them I just gave my opinion in a satrical way the same as you did. What makes it different? Did you go to Patire and want to fight him, or did you just state your opinion?

Also why use the moniker me if you just provided your name?

The Truth

me
12/27/2002 11:39pm,
truth

About 8 years ago I had to be in Texas all the time on business. I used to train under the Machados when I was out there. If we met I was a Judo player from Long Island I am pretty tall 6'4" better top game no bottom game.

MS

law2747
1/07/2003 11:01pm,
Me, Mike Singer...
Just for the record. I like Phil too, but I know what he told me. I never forgot that, because that is what turned me off about him. I knew he was full of **** when he said that. I have no reason to lie about that. Phil is a good grappler and like I said, he whipped my ass.

Also, Phil used to say that prior to opening the school. he taught out of his house and he had several challenge matches with people that were all video-taped. Have you ever seen any of these tapes?

I also trained with a Machado Affiliate school in New York and had the opportunity to roll with JJ Machado. If you have trained with the Machados you know that the best grapplers feel like you are grappling with an empty "Gi".

To close, I don't spread rumors about anybody, I just tell it like it is.

Peace............LAW2747

me
1/08/2003 1:17pm,
Law

I am not giving you a hard time; I was just stating the version I had heard on several different occasions. I know he had posted the version I heard on the underground at one point and refused to get into specifics about the workout other than to say Rickson was great. He told me at one point they were wearing the gi and I personally I donít feel Phil is that good with a gi. Unless I was with you when you talked to him I could never know for sure what was said for all I know he could have told you he could fly.

I started with him when he was in the basement of his condo and your question got me to thinking about what I have seen with my own eyes or on tape. I was there when one fight
happened and donít remember anyone taping it. I never saw a tape of any challenge matches just the one I was there for. The only things on tape I have actually seen are 3 or 4 kickboxing matches (one without gloves the others with gloves) the NHB fight he lost against Mott and the grappling match with Ferguson.

JJ is slick as hell I felt like I was chasing smoke. Iíve been fortunate enough to train with some great grapplers some did feel like an empty gi. Even within the same family and system each grapplerís game is unique while JJ was like grappling a ghost Rigan was like being run over by a train. I have rolled with guys who left me feeling like I was mugged some felt like I was trying to ride a hurricane they were so explosive. Thatís what I love about grappling all the differing games within the game each puts his own stamp on it.

As I said I can only speak from what I know and wasnít party to your dealings with him I can only comment on mine.

MS

law2747
1/08/2003 9:18pm,
No problem "ME", I know where you are coming from, because alot of people start rumors that aren't true. I liked Phil, when he said that about Rickson, I figured he was a little whacked out.

He was teaching some great stand-up stuff too with biting and eye pokes in his arsenal. I don't know if his background is legit or not, but he does know how to fight. As far as the Machados go, to me that's a different league. I rolled with JJ and Carlos and personally I found JJ to be a better grappler.(only my opinion).

Are you still training? I took a layoff for 2 months because of family obligations.

Peace...........Law2747