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jackvivian
4/18/2009 5:08pm,
Hey everyone :)
Well basicly I've been wanting to start Muay Thai or BJJ for quite a while, but I'm a competitive swimmer and haven't had the time, I've recently moved club and I think that within the next month I will be ready to start. I have hardly any experience in Martial arts only a few month in TKD ( lol I know )

I guess I'm looking for fun mainly, if I ever got good enough I would do competitions. I also guess I am looking for self defence if I had to use it.

There are a places around me,
For Muay Thai
http://www.kinggym.co.uk/
http://www.lumpinithaiboxing.co.uk/
http://www.oceangym.co.uk/index.html
and for BJJ only here
http://www.kamonbjj.com/

They both look like great martial arts but to be honest I think I am sold to Muay Thai because it is close and ground fighting will not be much use when I'm on the ground with one guy there mates kicking my head in :P Also the elbows and knees are rather appealing :new_Llol:

I was wondering if anyone has had experience of these gyms or knows anyone that has ?
Or even what they look like from they're website.

I realise this is quite a lot to ask :P
but I hope you don't mind quickly checking them out so I can make the best choice for me :new_Llol:

Thank you,
Jack

Carlos13th
4/18/2009 5:32pm,
I dont think anyone will mind giving you a review of the places if they have been there.
A few things though

1. Have you used the search function to look for threads or reviews of these places? If not try it, people might have already wrote about those clubs
2. If not just go along and try a lesson, the feel of the place and if you enjoy the atmosphere and teaching there will be the best indicator of if youd like to train there.

CrackFox
4/18/2009 5:40pm,
Those Muay Thai gyms all look OK to me. The best way to find out which one is for you is to get down there and try them out.

I'm not going to tell you that BJJ is better than Muay Thai, or vice versa, but I will say this: from a self defence perspective, it's very easy to end up going to the ground in a fight, even if you really don't want to, and if that happens, you really want to know how to handle yourself there, especially if the guy you're fighting's mates turn up.

Also, I'm duty bound to ask you to consider Judo. I do both MT and Judo, and though I haven't been in a fight since long before I started training, I think the stuff I learned in Judo would be more useful in real life. Most "fights" start as shoving matches - which is basically what Judo is - and your best way of getting home safe is to make sure you don't get knocked to ground, and you don't do anything to escalate it.

jackvivian
4/19/2009 4:55am,
thanks for both replies,
i understand what you are saying about Judo, I might have a look around.
btw I've used the search xD but some of it was helpful but scince it was a certain place I thought I would make a thread :P

Jadonblade
4/19/2009 5:39am,
Kamon is run by Kevin Chan, legit blackbelt under Roger. His also a wing chun dude...but it seems to work for him. Where abouts do you live? In hampshire? how far is www.andyrobertsbjj.com (http://www.andyrobertsbjj.com) from you (its in farnborough)?. Thats my club and we have 2 thai boxing classes a week and tons of BJJ. All included under one pay monthly deal. Whether you do one of them or both.

Carlos13th
4/19/2009 6:13am,
Thats cool mate, alot of people dont even realise the search is there. I stick to the advice of go check it out. The place could be one of the best in your area but you might just not like it there, try them out and stick to where you feel comftable.

jackvivian
4/19/2009 6:43am,
Kamon is run by Kevin Chan, legit blackbelt under Roger. His also a wing chun dude...but it seems to work for him. Where abouts do you live? In hampshire? how far is www.andyrobertsbjj.com (http://www.andyrobertsbjj.com) from you (its in farnborough)?. Thats my club and we have 2 thai boxing classes a week and tons of BJJ. All included under one pay monthly deal. Whether you do one of them or both.

Well farnborough is a bit too far for me to be honest I live in Southampton :P so 3/4 hour drive. Apart from maybe the saturday but that limits me to only Muay Thai ( because I'm too young )which is fine by me but if the classes by me are just as good I will probably just go to the closest :D

slideyfoot
4/19/2009 5:45pm,
Welcome to Bullshido!

As you're from the UK, you might be interested in joining the throwdown group (http://groups.google.com/group/bullshidoukthrowdowns), which aims to keep people updated on UK throwdowns (basically an open mat, if you're unfamiliar with the term). Last one was in Belfast (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1658933#post1658933), next one will be in Farnborough (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=79084) on 3rd May.


Hey everyone :)
Well basicly I've been wanting to start Muay Thai or BJJ for quite a while, but I'm a competitive swimmer and haven't had the time, I've recently moved club and I think that within the next month I will be ready to start. I have hardly any experience in Martial arts only a few month in TKD ( lol I know )

You might find this BJJ Beginner FAQ (http://slideyfoot.blogspot.com/2006/10/bjj-beginner-faq.html) useful, as a new student in BJJ.

As I mention in that FAQ, for further reading on BJJ, I'd recommend the following threads:

Training, Stagnation and Tapping (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showpost.php?p=974042)

Maximizing what you get out of rolling (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1253088)

Protecting Yourself During Sparring (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1234198)

BJJ Rolling Guide for Beginners (http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f12/bjj-rolling-guide-beginners-926678/#post29020042)
Grappling Basic Principles (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20609)

Advice for Noobs (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1776425&postcount=1)

10 Quick Tips for White Belts (http://www.aesopian.com/353/10-quick-tips-for-white-belts/)

First Day Lesson (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1232603)

Fundamental 5 (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1019474)

Obvious Epiphanies (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=62601)

And the following articles:

Starting BJJ Classes (http://www.grapplearts.com/Starting-BJJ-Classes.htm)
Nuggets of Advice (http://www.aesopian.com/127/nuggets-of-advice/)
Beginning BJJ (http://www.beginningbjj.com/index.html) (free e-course and e-book)

As to the specific school you mentioned, Kevin Chan got his black belt from Maurição Gomes (very highly respected BJJer), so I'm sure you'll get good training at his club.


They both look like great martial arts but to be honest I think I am sold to Muay Thai because it is close and ground fighting will not be much use when I'm on the ground with one guy there mates kicking my head in :P Also the elbows and knees are rather appealing :new_Llol:Read this (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=18221).

Kamon Guy
4/19/2009 6:47pm,
Hi there,

Just to add my two cents...

It all depends on what kind of training you are looking for. Muay Thai is an excellent art and if you are starting off fresh as a beginner it can be an excellent starting art as it teaches an overall game of stand up work

Kamon BJJ is fairly new but Kevin Chan is an exceptional talent. He is not only a black belt in BJJ, but is a master of wing chun kung fu and trains in numerous styles including Muay Thai, boxing, sambo and a few more (I don't know them all)

My advice would be to go down and check them out. Certainly Kamon BJJ will let you sit and watch a class before joining and are a friendly bunch. I am sure the same will apply for the other schools you've listed

Don't be afraid to ask the instructor questions that are on your mind (but don't bore them with trivia)

Good luck with your hunting

jackvivian
4/20/2009 10:40am,
Thank you very much for all the help,
Well I might be trying out one of the Muay Thai next week and I will look at the BJJ aswell at some point, and see which I enjoy most because no point learning something that will be better in self deffence or what not if I'm not enjoying it

I also suppose I wanted to try Muay Thai first because it's always useful to learn how to throw a punch :P as I do it slighty crapply xD

Kamon Guy
4/20/2009 10:56am,
Thank you very much for all the help,
Well I might be trying out one of the Muay Thai next week and I will look at the BJJ aswell at some point, and see which I enjoy most because no point learning something that will be better in self deffence or what not if I'm not enjoying it

I also suppose I wanted to try Muay Thai first because it's always useful to learn how to throw a punch :P as I do it slighty crapply xD

Nice one. As much as I love BJJ, hitting power is important and to be honest, my number one priority when training

Good luck with the Muay Thai - don't be put off if they are a bit full on. My MT gym was packed full of guys who seemed to be meatheads but they turned out to be a good group of guys

jackvivian
4/20/2009 11:03am,
Ahh :D
I don't mind if it's full of nutters xD
I'll fit right in apart from my fighting standard .. :P
I'd like to think either of them will help my swimming because of flexiblity and maybe power