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CharlesTC
12/17/2008 12:26am,
So I have been reading reviews for Dojos in or near Portland, Oregon.

I have to say that I am somewhat skeptical because none of them really have more than the one reviewer, I prefer to have a variety of reviews on something before I work my schedule around to go in and check these places out.

One in particular was this Dojo http://oregonkyokushin.com/AdultPrograms.htm.

I was reading stuff on their site and it seems to heavily emphasize forms, which seems like that is a bad thing based on what I see people say about that?

The only Gym I can find around here that I know is supposed to be awesome is SBGi, but I want to explore all my possible MA choices, as I am not really sure if I would enjoy BJJ or not.

I know this is probably asked a lot, but could someone who is more experienced help me kind of filter out these Dojos that are no good?

I would greatly appreciate it. Even if I had my own opinion I never trust it enough to go with it.:eusa_thin

Thanks for any help.

P.S. I hope this is the correct forum.

TheRuss
12/17/2008 12:47am,
If you can narrow things down to a few dojos, your best bet is to take a trial class at each.

NoTeefa
12/17/2008 12:49am,
I would personally jump at the chance to train at the Portland Straight Blast Gym.
I would suggest at least trying a class there

Domite
12/17/2008 2:19am,
There is nothing wrong with forms training. It can help you to be a better fighter. It's just kinda boring.

CharlesTC
12/17/2008 10:17am,
There is nothing wrong with forms training. It can help you to be a better fighter. It's just kinda boring.

Alright, I guess in the stuff I have been reading lately it always seemed like forms were thought to be the opposite of aliveness.

footfistway
12/17/2008 10:42am,
A Kyokushin school that emphasizes forms. I almost choked on my coffee...... I don't think I have ever even seen a Kyokushin form.....

1point2
12/17/2008 10:50am,
A Kyokushin school that emphasizes forms. I almost choked on my coffee...... I don't think I have ever even seen a Kyokushin form.....

That's easy. It's because you're ignorant. Try harder next time.

It is Fake
12/17/2008 10:54am,
Really? Wow.

YouTube - Kyokushin Oyama Masutatsu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqQ8Bqq9UAs)
YouTube - Karate kyokushin kata pinan ura (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mBM9EHQnkc)
YouTube - Garyu Kyokushinkai kata (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1EBueJPDCw)

Oh and what 1point2 said.

It is Fake
12/17/2008 10:57am,
Alright, I guess in the stuff I have been reading lately it always seemed like forms were thought to be the opposite of aliveness.
It is if, it is the entire focus of the school. If all you do is forms it is the opposite of aliveness.

footfistway
12/17/2008 11:00am,
That's easy. It's because you're ignorant. Try harder next time.


Thanks 1point2! I feel much more informed now......I guess I will file my comment away with other questions that I never got around to looking for an answer to like "Do isshinryu guys wear those really big patches to compensate for something"?

Seriously though, I actually have seen Kyokushin forms......It just struck me as funny that there would be a Kyokushin school that does anything but fight.....really.....

bobyclumsyninja
12/17/2008 11:01am,
Forms or fighting, is just a term. Emphasis on forms over application, or sparring can be counterproductive, and can be a sign of a school, that doesn't expect it's students to ascertain or even question the effectiveness of the art.

It's not a given, though, that forms means bad fighting style/skills/teachers. If they are used properly, to give the student a sense of his own body, and a guide for proper application of said techniques when sparring, and trying it out, with resistance.

If a school doesn't spar, or only lets the black belts spar, you are virtually assured you won't learn to fight for some time, hence, are wasting money and time. Take the free class at straight blast at least once...there's a good reason they're so well known nationally (and internationally).

1point2
12/17/2008 11:05am,
On account of this being Newbietown apparently, sorry dood. I was responding to what you said, which seemed to assert that you had not, in fact, seen KK forms before.

As for patches, uh, I wear between zero and two fist-sized patches to represent the style and/or my student status. They're purdy, and I usually wear them when I teach, or for tournaments, testings and twice-yearly whole-dojo classes (which our deceased judo-trained association founder strangely called shiai). What lineage of IR around you has big patches?

TheRuss
12/17/2008 11:09am,
On account of this being Newbietown apparently, sorry dood. I was responding to what you said, which seemed to assert that you had not, in fact, seen KK forms before.

It started off in MABS, and I read his post the same way.

footfistway
12/17/2008 11:12am,
just kidding about the patch, this is the one I am talking about......


http://www.isshprod.nxs.net/Patches.htm

1point2
12/17/2008 11:17am,
LOL, the megami (mizu-gami in some circles) is hardly a large patch. Try a Korean or BJJ school near you for teh r3al patches. Plus it gets points for being largely standardized across the style.

footfistway
12/17/2008 11:55am,
Really? Wow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqQ8Bqq9UAs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mBM9EHQnkc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1EBueJPDCw

Oh and what 1point2 said.


MY EYES!!!!! Damn you IS IT FAKE!!!! You really know how to deliver a blow.