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Memento18poker
12/12/2008 12:45pm,
hi


If this thread is in the wrong place i appologise.

i've been a fan of bjj for about 2 years but only started training recently. I have only been to 5 sessions (1 hour each).

what is the general game plan from the guard? and (in very general terms) how is this achieved? (in terms of grips, breaking opponents posture, moving hips)


i was grappling with a guy who is bigger, stronger and a little more experienced than me, and he was constantly forcing my arms into bad positions and getting grips. I tried to pull his elbows and use my hips to get him off balance so i could maybe attempt a kimura or sweep, but he seemed too big and strong to be significantly affected by my efforts.

My very limited technique is obviously a problem, but either way i seemed to just exhaust my legs and abs just trying to prevent him from establishing control... was i just relying on strength too much? or does grappling against big guys when on your back tire you out very quickly?

any advice of any kind is greatly appreciated. sorry for the first post essay ;-)

PointyShinyBurn
12/12/2008 12:48pm,
Just train. Specific technical advice isn't going to do much for you till you're a bit more experienced.

Also, jnp is just about to yell at you for posting this in DHS. Try not to take it too personally.

Memento18poker
12/12/2008 12:52pm,
thanks, you're right about the training, i guess i'm jumping the gun a bit.

where should i post this instead?


sorry for the spamming

PointyShinyBurn
12/12/2008 12:55pm,
where should i post this instead?
This forum is for specific technical grappling queries and discussion, more general newbie-type questions go in Guantanamo Bay.

Memento18poker
12/12/2008 12:56pm,
ok thanks

Asriel
12/12/2008 1:09pm,
As Pointy has already said, just go to training and listen to what your instructors say.

You're going to get tapped a lot, don't take it to heart and don't treat every spar like it's a life or death fight or you'll end up injuring people.

v1y
12/12/2008 2:18pm,
Yea man you're too much of a newbie for any specific advice to really help. There isn't going to be a magic technique that makes you good from the guard (or any position). It's way more about A: finesse of the technique and getting all the details right, and B: timing.

But yea all i'll say is work in combos. From any position, it's not "alright, try this -- ok that didn't work. alright i'll try this, nope that didn't work either". It's "go for this, ok they defended this way so i'm going to respond this way".

Bukow
12/12/2008 7:22pm,
5 hours into grappling is a little early to worry about combos. Just really concentrate on the basics -- getting to and holding positions, etc. As others have said, it's too early to give you specific advice here as you're still so new to grappling that you're going to improve dramatically even in the next few months as long as you train seriously under a good coach.

Good luck!

jnp
12/12/2008 9:02pm,
Read the stickies at the top of each forum before you post Memento18poker.

I know that's not what people expected, but I'm having trouble posting my original post that had a link in it.

Omega Supreme
12/12/2008 11:13pm,
hi


If this thread is in the wrong place i appologise.

i've been a fan of bjj for about 2 years but only started training recently. I have only been to 5 sessions (1 hour each).

what is the general game plan from the guard? and (in very general terms) how is this achieved? (in terms of grips, breaking opponents posture, moving hips)


i was grappling with a guy who is bigger, stronger and a little more experienced than me, and he was constantly forcing my arms into bad positions and getting grips. I tried to pull his elbows and use my hips to get him off balance so i could maybe attempt a kimura or sweep, but he seemed too big and strong to be significantly affected by my efforts.

My very limited technique is obviously a problem, but either way i seemed to just exhaust my legs and abs just trying to prevent him from establishing control... was i just relying on strength too much? or does grappling against big guys when on your back tire you out very quickly?

any advice of any kind is greatly appreciated. sorry for the first post essay ;-)

Sounds to me like you're not using your testicles. You don't have any? Try growing a pair.

omoplatypus
12/13/2008 12:35am,
Sounds to me like you're not using your testicles. You don't have any? Try growing a pair.

sounds like someone needs a hug and an ice cream cone with sprinkles

Skillful
12/13/2008 8:17am,
Actually, sprinkles were created in ancient times when Omega kicked the original Mr. Frostee (the ancient deity, not the corporate entity) in the head. Zeus was trying to smite Mr. Frostee first, but he fled in fear at the sight of Omega. Also, contrary to modern theories of quantum mechanics, Omega hugging someone is how black holes are created.

My advice is to back up. If you sit with your legs open facing the corner of a room, so your feet touch both walls, only 4 or 5 square feet of the room are in your guard. If you back up to the opposite corner, facing the same way, almost the entire room is in your guard. What your opponent is trying to do is get past this imaginary horizon of your guard. Keep backing up, and he will be forced to keep chasing it.

This is a gross oversimplification of the battle of maintaining/passing the guard, but that's probably all you can handle right now. A lot of the really new guys I've told this to have found it very helpful. Let me know if it helps you, or if it even makes any sense to you.

Jack Rusher
12/13/2008 10:52am,
Go sign up for Stephen Kesting's free Beginning BJJ (http://www.beginningbjj.com/) e-book. It'll answer these sorts of questions more politely than anyone here will.

3moose1
12/13/2008 1:32pm,
For now?

Like every daddy hopes his wide-eyed virgin daughter will do, Keep your legs closed.