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TEA
11/05/2008 7:54pm,
Jye Nigma on the the-dojang.net mail list posted these.

YouTube - The best of Taekwon-do World Championships 2007 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7UnCmgU1Ao)

YouTube - Awsome ITF-sparring by Andreas Pirreou 3.Dan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pQppVPWSdQ)

YouTube - The Best of Tae Kwon do (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W3mSFkzOss)


This looks like a more realistic style of fighting than I've seen before in ITF comps. I see hard contact punching to the face, including some KOs, and no stopping to award points (for the most part - some of them still have some stoppages that I'm not sure about). Is ITF progressing while the WTF stagnates in its tippy-tap game of tag?

Blues-man
11/05/2008 8:27pm,
I made this video:

YouTube - Taekwon-Do ITF - Competition Sparring Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab3PWC4T7G0)

I hope you guys enjoy it. There's fights from the 90s and more recent.

EDIT: In ITF the sparring is continuous, there are no stops to award points, but the referee stops the fight for the warnings (striking in an illegal target, falling, etc.).

EDIT 2: I also made this video of Tomaz Barada with ITF and Kickboxing fights:

YouTube - Tomaz Barada Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6qw2B-Gaiw)

TEA
11/05/2008 8:49pm,
Have the rules evolved with regards to contact to the head? I seem to recall that ITF rules called for "controlled contact" to the head. I see what looks like a fairly wide range of contact to the head from medium contact to full contact.

Blues-man
11/05/2008 8:59pm,
Have the rules evolved with regards to contact to the head? I seem to recall that ITF rules called for "controlled contact" to the head. I see what looks like a fairly wide range of contact to the head from medium contact to full contact.

The contact should be "controlled"... but it really depends on the tournament and the referee...

The ITF-NK have a tournament called PRO TKD, where full contact is allowed. It's open to members of any ITF and WTF.

YouTube - PRO Taekwondo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJCiJ-dNVq8)

TEA
11/05/2008 9:37pm,
The contact should be "controlled"... but it really depends on the tournament and the referee...

The ITF-NK have a tournament called PRO TKD, where full contact is allowed. It's open to members of any ITF and WTF.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJCiJ-dNVq8

That is what Olympic TKD should look like.

TEA
11/05/2008 10:24pm,
Morez

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=[yt]k4OEGiijIRw

hoodedmonk
11/05/2008 11:22pm,
Cool tkd w/face contact! much more fun to watch competition wise.

Beorn
11/06/2008 12:28am,
ok, this is officially the awesome. so if they allow face punches...y dont they fight with their hands up?

Blues-man
11/06/2008 6:51am,
This is a training video of Federico Figari from Argentina:

YouTube - CAMPO DE ENTRENAMIENTO-FEDERICO FIGARI-HAKKYO-TAEKWON-DO ITF (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukZjPiLw23k)

E-Funk
11/08/2008 7:43pm,
ok, this is officially the awesome. so if they allow face punches...y dont they fight with their hands up?

For Serious! I thought it was weird too. But damn, I actually didn't realize that ITF was that cool.

DerAuslander
11/09/2008 10:54am,
So the baby killers can fight...woopdidoo...

tkd panda
11/09/2008 1:28pm,
So the baby killers can fight...woopdidoo... How the **** can you equate doing ITF TKD to being a baby killer?

Fodland
11/09/2008 2:52pm,
How the **** can you equate doing ITF TKD to being a baby killer?
I think it's because much of the ITF techniques is used and modified by North-Korea military personnel. Also that the soldiers use it on prisoners or something like that.

North Korean government helps develop ITF TKD. the N.K. government also kills directly, and even more indirectly ( most of the population are poor). -->Babies die because of North Korean government--> Babykillers can fight.

Isn't it something like that, DA?

DerAuslander
11/09/2008 4:22pm,
Something like that.

TEA
11/09/2008 5:23pm,
But, they have better TKD than the ROK.

So, to summarize:

WRT TKD - DPRK > ROK

WRT basic human rights (at leat since 1992) - ROK > DPRK

Earl Weiss
11/10/2008 11:34am,
I
North Korean government helps develop ITF TKD. <<

This premise is faulty at best. ITF TKD wasn't introduced to NK until 1980 for a demonstration and not taught until after that. By this time the techniques were fully developed. 1 of 25 patterns was added after that. Hardly a development.

Was ITF TKD taught in NK? Yes. Was NK one of many member countries that supported the ITF ? Yes.

A corollary to this reasoning would be to say that after the ITF TKD was exiled from South Korea, and the Kuki / WTF was the only game in town, then all the abductions and brutality by the South Korean KCIA was rooted in WTK / Kukki TKD. Pretty silly huh?