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jtweymo
9/09/2008 12:02pm,
Modern Martail Arts


Whether understood as Japanese budo or as the Chinese and Korean counterparts, do these disciplines espouse or support the old caste-based systems and ideologies? Does budo (or rather, martial arts in general) espouse emulation of the Japanese samuraii, or other types of feudal warrior? OR IS THAT BULLSHIDO?




Modern budo does not espouse these things, that in fact, the historical edifice of budo was one of the things that helped remove these institutions and was an enemy to these older modes of thinking and social conduct. What do you think about this?


The fact is that, had these older social conventions survived, commoners like you and I probably would not LEGALLY have been able to study or practice budo (except unless in (para-)military service to the upper classes of nobility and royalty.) We could not legally have practiced or owned swords and other weapons. This would imply that budo was not really the product of these classes or time periods, but resulted after the collapse of these social systems (circa the 1880's). What do you think?


Do we approach modern martial arts with a sufficient recognition of these importants facts?


If you aren't an American, I recognize that you might understand these things better than we Americans do... that Americans sometimes can be oblivious to these types of historical and social contexts.


WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?? bULLSHIDO?

DerAuslander
9/09/2008 12:13pm,
I think you need to shut the **** up.

MrBadGuy
9/09/2008 12:16pm,
:psyduck:

Scott Larson
9/09/2008 12:53pm,
I'm a confused duck too.

FickleFingerOfFate
9/09/2008 12:58pm,
Modern Martail Arts

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?? bULLSHIDO?



:beatdead:

jtweymo
9/09/2008 1:04pm,
haaa haaa haaaaa!!

Buwahaaaaa haaa haaa!!!!!!!!
skeee heeh eheehee

jtweymo
9/09/2008 1:05pm,
BTW,

Ficklefinger... I fucking love that avatar of yours.

Rene "Zendokan" Gysenbergs
9/09/2008 1:06pm,
Nice topic, but if you want a real detailed answer, well I would be writing an ebook and I haven't got the time for this so I break it down in some really simplified answers.


1) yes, thru history "mostly" privileged classes had the only legal rights to train in warfair (martial arts) and not the common people. I typed "mostly" because there will always be exceptions.

2) Not the Arts chainged the thinking pattern of classes, but the industrial revolution and the socialisme that emerged for this. ( real simplyfied, but there will be a few thousand books in the libraries over pre and post Industrial revolution and the effects on society).

3) Since the classes dissapeared we can train the martial arts (western, eastern, etc) by using the traditions of the original reigning classes. It's now common historical tradition.

Very important: history of a martial art is NO substitute for effectiveness and tradition should only be seen in the working of the dojo (respect to seniores, bow to a picture of the founder, etc..) but not in the evolutions of the techniques

DerAuslander
9/09/2008 1:10pm,
Don't fall for it Zendokan.

Frank White
9/09/2008 1:18pm,
The fact is that, had these older social conventions survived, commoners like you and I probably would not LEGALLY have been able to study or practice budo (except unless in (para-)military service to the upper classes of nobility and royalty.) We could not legally have practiced or owned swords and other weapons. This would imply that budo was not really the product of these classes or time periods, but resulted after the collapse of these social systems (circa the 1880's). What do you think?



This is why we must thank the Ninja for keeping tradition of Budo alive, in the shadows of night...

Ninja, and there Chinese counterpart, the drunk old uncle.

DKJr
9/09/2008 1:20pm,
My budo is bigger than your budo.

DerAuslander
9/09/2008 1:20pm,
Is it that only the unintelligent are breeders, or do they inject children with stupid in the schools these days?

jtweymo
9/09/2008 1:21pm,
Okay,

Those are good points. Quite true.

So these elements are widely recognized? Or at least get some recognition.

I'll wait to see what else gets said
(I dunno what to comment further on at this point.)

DerAuslander
9/09/2008 1:22pm,
How about the point that your OP was completely idiotic?

You make Donn Draeger cry. And he's dead.

jtweymo
9/09/2008 1:22pm,
Heh? ninja, huh?

hee hee hee. Oboy.
ninja... haa haa haa

FickleFingerOfFate
9/09/2008 1:23pm,
(I dunno what to comment further on at this point.)


Trust me when I say;

You have said enough already.


:jerk: