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M1K3
7/09/2008 7:37am,
I had this over in Gitmo but didn't get any responses so I will try it here.

Has anyone seen Roy Harris’ ‘BJJ OVER 40’ DVD, and what did you think of it?

I am a 9 month white belt in BJJ and 54 years old. Luckily, thanks to genetics I am one of the bigger and stronger people in my school (6’1’’ and around 240 and dropping). However, I have come to the realization that I am also one of the slowest and the bad knees and arthritis don’t help.
The instructors are great and work with me on adjusting what we learn and I have to admit I am not bad at rolling (not great either) for my level. I was just hoping I could find something that focuses on the older grappler, how to adjust your game and strategy for your age, and some techniques that are better suited to a slower game.

Thanks in advance for any replies.

BTW, I did a search and found nothing on this DVD, other than it exists.

Also, any of you grapplers (older or otherwise) who have words of advice I look forward to hearing it.

Big Mike.

Virus
7/09/2008 8:09am,
You're a big guy but you don't really have the speed that the other guys do. Maybe work on maximizing the weight you press on your opponent? Be patient and crush them like a bug, put all that weight on them and wait for the opportunity.

M1K3
7/09/2008 8:18am,
That works, I have used it on occasion, and had it used on me by this one monster in my class, but if I crush all the smaller people when rolling then they don't want to roll with me any more. And after rolling with said monster (6'3'' 320+ and can bench press a Volkswagen!) I understand why. :laughing9

Nickeroon1987
7/09/2008 8:19am,
You're a big guy but you don't really have the speed that the other guys do. Maybe work on maximizing the weight you press on your opponent? Be patient and crush them like a bug, put all that weight on them and wait for the opportunity.

That's what all the old fogies at my academy do.

Vieux Normand
7/09/2008 9:22am,
That works, I have used it on occasion, and had it used on me by this one monster in my class, but if I crush all the smaller people when rolling then they don't want to roll with me any more. And after rolling with said monster (6'3'' 320+ and can bench press a Volkswagen!) I understand why. :laughing9

Had that problem also. You may just have to get used to rolling with the monster most of the time. In which case, be extra-careful of your knees, etc.

Goju - Joe
7/09/2008 9:32am,
Are you doing gi or no-gi?

I prefer gi because I have been working on my pistol grip on peoples sleeves and can slow down and control the younger guys better that way, especially with spider guard.

M1K3
7/09/2008 10:02am,
Are you doing gi or no-gi?

I prefer gi because I have been working on my pistol grip on peoples sleeves and can slow down and control the younger guys better that way, especially with spider guard.

We are doing mostly gi. The extra handles make it a lot easier to play a control game. In addition one of the other oldsters is a former judo brown belt and he has shown me a lot of interesting gi chokes. I use this a lot, not as much as submissions, but as distractions and ways to take people out of their game. If they are focusing on what I'm doing there not attacking. The fact that I will get an occasional sub with them helps keep them honest also.

MajinFajita
7/09/2008 10:04am,
One of my buddies is 52 and a purple under Roy Harris. He started training when I think he was like 42 or 43? Anyways, his top game pressure is ridiculous, when he rolls with the younger bucks he just is more patient, lets them tire themselves out by keeping just busy enough to force them to be 10x as busy and then goes to work.

Or when he rolls with me, just hands me my ass right away. Because I suck, I'm in poor shape and he's really good.

Southpaw
7/09/2008 11:52am,
I tend to be one of the bigger guys in my class usually (230lbs) and I'm quite comfortable on top, but have really been working my bottom game for the past 8 months or so. I still suck at it and it is extremely frustrating...but I feel like I'm cheating when I just lay on top of a smaller guy when we roll.

M1K3
7/09/2008 12:10pm,
I tend to be one of the bigger guys in my class usually (230lbs) and I'm quite comfortable on top, but have really been working my bottom game for the past 8 months or so. I still suck at it and it is extremely frustrating...but I feel like I'm cheating when I just lay on top of a smaller guy when we roll.

LOL, same here. My guard game has improved alot in the last couple of weeks. I quite trying for submissions, focus on hip movement and sweeps. Also, we have been doing a fair amount of stand-up lately and my long lost wrestling skills are returning. It has helped my bottom game because I am starting to get the idea that the bottom grip control game isn't that different than the standing game. Get your grip, unbalance your opponent, throw or sweep.

Life is good.

G8
7/09/2008 1:02pm,
I had that DVD a few years ago, but I lent to somebody & never saw it again; I recall it as being mildly helpful. There's a lot of stuff in there about defensive positioning to conserve energy; that's about all I remember, that & Roy being pretty long-winded. I wouldn't pay too much for it, but it's probably worth having.

G8
7/09/2008 1:07pm,
there's an overview of the contents here:

http://www.budovideos.com/shop/customer/product.php?productid=23381

M1K3
7/09/2008 1:56pm,
there's an overview of the contents here:

http://www.budovideos.com/shop/customer/product.php?productid=23381

Thanks for the info. I'm not sure about the DVD and was hoping someone could give a strong opinion, good or bad, about it. I get the feeling it could be useful but not necessary.

new2bjj
7/09/2008 2:39pm,
Tap early and tap often. Also, if you just feel more and more arthritic, as fun as it is, what's the point? You don't want to feel older, you want to feel younger.

That being said, you could do more drills and roll less, until things even out.

As far as books and DVD's go, if I had money to through around, I would look into the Oxford Handbook of Human Performance by Ericsson. There are other, (though more general ) better books for helping older athletes.

M1K3
7/09/2008 3:27pm,
Tap early and tap often. Also, if you just feel more and more arthritic, as fun as it is, what's the point? You don't want to feel older, you want to feel younger.

That being said, you could do more drills and roll less, until things even out.

As far as books and DVD's go, if I had money to through around, I would look into the Oxford Handbook of Human Performance by Ericsson. There are other, (though more general ) better books for helping older athletes.

I'm not having problems with rolling other than I am always a half step behind the majority of people I roll with. So, I am trying to adjust my game so that speed isn't a major attribute required for me to do well. By sticking primarily to GI, having a good grip game, relaxing and thinking more rather than reacting I have been doing ok. I was just hoping there was something out there that would let me take my game up a notch without having to go through as much trial and error.

As for the arthritis, some days its ok, some days it sucks a little and some days it just sucks. Strange thing is the Jits doesn't seem to affect it one way or another. And even if it did, I would probably keep on rolling. No one has ever accused me of being smart.

:pancakebu

bob
7/09/2008 4:29pm,
The secret to old man rolling is this. As you touch hands, complain about back/ribs/knees etc being particularly sore today. Watch as your partner takes it easy on you. Rape your partner.

Least that's what all the old man blues do to me.