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shmuel
7/03/2008 5:05am,
Has anyone heard of this?

http://www.ymaa-retreatcenter.org/en/retreatcenter

I believe that people have to pay $90,000 to sign up for a 10 year program where they live in a mountain retreat and train kung fu. Apparently the money is refunded IF you stay the entire 10 years!!

Is this a scam?

Is it even advisable to spend 10 years out of society like that? Is it a bit of a cult?

Also noticed a website where anyone can make Paypal donations (Gee thanks for the honor) and in return get a "Level"!

http://www.ymaa-retreatcenter.org/donations

If you donate $100 you become an "Earth level donor"! If you donate $1 million you can become a "Fire level donor"!

HonkyTonkMan
7/03/2008 5:21am,
I am a Fire Level donor. My brother in law is there. He was born with a mental handicap, and they actually have a good program that helps him tremendously.
If you donate the money first then they waive the 90k in sign up fees. Also being a fire level donor you dont have to leave or "re-up" after the 10 years.
He can stay indefinitely.

shmuel
7/03/2008 6:49am,
Fire level?

Did it really cost you $1 million?

Do you spread it out or do you have to pay in one lump?

Scott Larson
7/03/2008 7:48am,
It sounds like a lot of money, but that is food, lodging, and instruction all day. Yang Jwing Ming is very knowledgeable, but I would find out more info if interested.

I'm interested to hear oldman's reply. (If he's serious)

HonkyTonkMan
7/04/2008 6:45am,
Fire level?

Did it really cost you $1 million?

Do you spread it out or do you have to pay in one lump?


Dude, Im pulling your leg.

shmuel
7/04/2008 7:55am,
Whew!

ty5
7/05/2008 6:39pm,
It's like a mini-cult. 10 years stuck with Mr Yang, Jwing-Ming seems like an awfull long time to me.. and after all that they probably still will not be able to fight at any decent level.

To raise awareness of martial morality. Due to widely-spread commercialized martial arts, such as Hollywood Kung Fu movies and culture, martial morality has been ignored in modern times. In this Retreat Center, a student must aim to achieve a high level of martial morality, including: Morality of Deed: humility, respect, righteousness, trust, and loyalty.
Morality of Mind: will, endurance, perseverance, patience, and courage.Isn't this what every McDojo advert more or less says as well?

Scott Larson
7/05/2008 6:55pm,
Its easy to say it, hard to actually teach it correctly.

He's trying to replicate the training of the old days, but who knows if he'll be successful or not. I don't have any personal experience with the man, so I don't have an opinion on him.

cyrijl
7/05/2008 8:01pm,
There never seems to be anyone who has ever trained with this guy. He has been brought up so many times.

It is Fake
7/05/2008 9:37pm,
B.K. Frantzis, Yang Jwing Ming - No BS Martial Arts (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3579)
Jwing-Ming Yang - No BS Martial Arts (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=64367)
My first Post on Bullshido and all I got was my post count lowered - Page 2 - No BS Martial Arts (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1681723#post1681723)


Why doesn't bullshido delete threads using the word Fraud? - No BS Martial Arts (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=64908)
This is me getting into an online argument because of this thread:
My first Post on Bullshido and all I got was my post count lowered - Page 2 - No BS Martial Arts (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1681723#post1681723)

cyrijl
7/07/2008 1:05pm,
If that list was for me, I meant more like:

OP: What's up with this Yang fellow?
Reply: I studied there, we did X,Y,Z.

That info might be in the threads but it is usually buried. That being said I no longer have an interest in that area.

Snake Plissken
7/07/2008 1:35pm,
Fire level?

Did it really cost you $1 million?

Do you spread it out or do you have to pay in one lump?

If Oldman34 had a million dollars to blow he would be driving around in a gold plated Hummer paited to look like the General Lee.

Nickeroon1987
7/08/2008 7:08am,
Didn't this guy teach in Boston at some point?

cyrijl
7/08/2008 9:11am,
Yeah in Jamaica Plain. Still does I think.

Wounded Ronin
7/08/2008 11:22pm,
How is it any different from Ashida Kim's Ninja Temple 2000?