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hapkido_keith
4/20/2008 10:46pm,
I've had my home arsenal consist of a single 9mm pistol for quite some time (Ruger KP95) and I was thinking of expanding into a new weapon or two. Mostly for recreational shooting but it would be nice to have some more firepower should a civil unrest situation happen when The Big One finnally hits southern california. I like the fact that 9mm ammo is cheap and I was thinking of a 9mm carbine, but I don't want to waste my money on something that's not much more capable than the pistol I already have.
What's the gernal consensus on carbines? Should I just go for a regular rifle instead?

Wounded Ronin
4/20/2008 11:15pm,
Well, I'm not an expert, but repeating the "conventional wisdom" I've often heard, you're supposed to use a carbine or a shotgun for home defense as a full length rifle is supposedly awkward in such conditions.

EDIT: Doesn't Colt make a 9mm carbine that looks like a minature M16?

EDIT 2: Here it is. http://world.guns.ru/smg/SMG35-E.HTM

It's so cuuuute!

krazy kaju
4/20/2008 11:23pm,
I don't know **** about guns, but I hope this helps:
http://home.comcast.net/~dsmjd/tux/dsmjd/tech/home_defense.htm

hapkido_keith
4/21/2008 1:30am,
Well, I'm not an expert, but

I don't know **** about guns, but
Great. Any chance I can hear from someone who does know what they're talking about?

Yrkoon9
4/21/2008 1:48am,
Carbines in 9mm are a waste of time for the application you are intending. Get a higher caliber. For plinking just get a .22lr for killin get nothing less than .223 preferably 7.62

Wounded Ronin
4/21/2008 2:49pm,
Great. Any chance I can hear from someone who does know what they're talking about?

You specifically asked for the "general consensus".

sdave
4/21/2008 4:18pm,
Carbines in 9mm are a waste of time for the application you are intending. Get a higher caliber. For plinking just get a .22lr for killin get nothing less than .223 preferably 7.62

Mini-14 (http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAFamily?type=Rifle&subtype=Autoloading&famlst=20) FTW!

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/images/Products/366L.jpg

Worked for these guys...

http://www.stories.the-ridges.net/images/ateam1.jpg

Lord Skeletor
4/21/2008 9:46pm,
Carbines in 9mm are a waste of time for the application you are intending. Get a higher caliber. For plinking just get a .22lr for killin get nothing less than .223 preferably 7.62


Guys...his whole statement was shot to hell. Rememeber---he lives in Kaliforniastan. That means nothing semi-auto and certainly nothing semi-auto in .223 or .308. He might be able to pick up a CA-legal AR15 with a pinned lower and a 10-round mag, or a neutered Springfield M1A1 in 7.62 or something.

In this particular case, get a good pump shotgun. :cry:
I also feel very sad for you as a person and potential gun owner. Move to Nevada...like yesterday.

pauli
4/21/2008 10:11pm,
aren't some of the keltec su16 models california legal?

Wounded Ronin
4/21/2008 11:03pm,
What about that Hello Kitty AR15? Wasn't that designed to be Cali legal?

AlphaFoxtrot51
4/21/2008 11:15pm,
Ok...for home defense, forget anything that involves a 9mm. (Unless there's a round that's larger that has multiple 9mm submunitions). For a pistol I'd recommend a 1911 Colt .45, it's easy to maintain and it has great stopping power. Besides that you're not going to need anything else for defending your home simply because it's all close range.

If you want a rifle, again...ditch the idea about 9mm. Find yourself a weapon that is legal in your state, preferably something either .223 (5.56) or larger.

I recommend:

Colt:
AR15, AR23 (.223)

Fabrique Nationale:
FS2000 (5.56x45 NATO)
Fusil Automatique Legere - SA58C (7.62x51 NATO)
FN Carabine - Sporter (5.56x45 NATO)

GIAT Industries FAMAS:
G2S (5.56x45 NATO)

Ruger:
Mini-14SD (.300 Whisper)
Mini-14/5 (.223)
Mini-14/5R (.223)
Mini-30/5R (7.62x39)

Springfield Armory:
M1A, Scout, SOCOM (7.62x51 NATO)

Kel-Tec:
SUB-2000 (Available in 9mm[NO!], .40, and .357 SIG)

Anyother Qs...PM me

ignatzami
4/21/2008 11:17pm,
Cutest gun ever, if I can ever find one I MIGHT just be able to convince my girl friend to go shooting with me.... she has a Hello Kitty toaster over for Christs sake.

And yes, it's Cali legal.

Jim_Jude
4/21/2008 11:35pm,
aren't some of the keltec su16 models california legal?

Very little Kel-Tec is legal. Look here if you have any questions:

http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

Jim_Jude
4/22/2008 12:32am,
Ok...for home defense, forget anything that involves a 9mm. (Unless there's a round that's larger that has multiple 9mm submunitions). For a pistol I'd recommend a 1911 Colt .45, it's easy to maintain and it has great stopping power. Besides that you're not going to need anything else for defending your home simply because it's all close range.

Here's an excerpt from a Gabe Suarez mssg I got recently...

I have a colleague is South America who has been in High Risk Police Service for close to three decades. He has been in over three dozen verified gunfight . His weapon was originally a Browning Hi-Power and later a Glock 17.
I was very interested in hearing more so I asked him about the load he used. He said he had always used military ball full metal jacket. Astounded I asked him why he chose that. That is all we can get here. Hollow points are illegal.I shook my head and told him that there was a belief in the USA that 9mm was an anemic caliber, especially in the load he'd chosen. He shrugged and said that his adversaries must not have gotten the word. :qbluewack
He said he fired a burst at the chest and if they didn't fall fast enough, he fired a burst at the face. He never needed to reload and had enough on board so if he missed a shot or two he could catch up in the fight. And before we hear the careful shooter versus the spraying prayer, this man is one of the best shots I have seen and competes on an international level. Even so, he knows the chaos in a gunfight can play havoc with even the most gifted marksman. Perhaps we need to take a lesson from him....


If you want a rifle, again...ditch the idea about 9mm. Find yourself a weapon that is legal in your state, preferably something either .223 (5.56) or larger.

I recommend:

Colt:
AR15, AR23 (.223)

Fabrique Nationale:
FS2000 (5.56x45 NATO)
Fusil Automatique Legere - SA58C (7.62x51 NATO)
FN Carabine - Sporter (5.56x45 NATO)
BLAH BLAH BLAH

Wow. Why am I not surprised?

hapkido_keith, don't plan on buying a AR in Kalifornia. What you get here sucks monkey nutz. The Mini-14 & Mini-30 are nice, but you could look at nice lever action rifles such as a Marlin, maybe a Model 1894.
However, doing what I do in my spare time, I must ask you to consider a shotgun (since you expressed the desire for recreational shooting).
Look at a Mossberg 590 or Remington 870. They're great for household and medium range (#4 to #1 Buck, or rifled slugs to reach out and touch someone if you have proper sights.)
You can keep them pretty standard, or trick them out. For example...
http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/pics/shotguns/argonaut_870_small.jpg

Yrkoon9
4/22/2008 1:00am,
You could get a lever action 30-30. Big fun. Expensive to shoot but fun fun fun. Here is a picture of mine.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9696/dsc00799ej0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

hapkido_keith
4/22/2008 1:16am,
Seems the free market has answered my question for me already:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_Police_Carbine

As of 2007, Ruger has discontinued production citing low demand.



I also feel very sad for you as a person and potential gun owner. Move to Nevada...like yesterday.
What do you mean "potential" gun owner? As far as moving, are you going to help me find a job ... and move an ocean within a half-hour drive?

So right now I'm thinking mini-14 or mini-30, leaning towards the mini-30.

Added:

You could get a lever action 30-30. Big fun. Expensive to shoot but fun fun fun.
The expensive to shoot part puts the nix on something like that. I know myself: I'm too much of a tight-wad and I'd never bother to put any rounds downrange with a weapon like that. Part of the reason I was thinking about a carbine in the first place was over ammo costs, and it could share magasines with the weapon I already have.