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Sam Browning
4/16/2008 10:18am,
When you exit from the plane, how do you secure your rifle so it is quickly useable when you hit the ground yet it doesn't come out of your hands in mid jump? I imagine that you are not simply holding it in your hand on the way down.

TM
4/16/2008 5:31pm,
It's in a soft fabric zippered case loosely tied to your left leg with enough slack so your leg can still bend and do a right side parachute landing fall.

Yrkoon9
4/16/2008 11:58pm,
In a combat jump your rucksack is tied to the front of your body, and your weapon is in a case on your left side. Before you land you release your gear and it drops to about 15 feet below you on a tether. Your gear hits the ground first then you do.

I dunno WTF kind of landing you can do with your gear still tied to you, as the previous poster said, but it would fucking hurt.

smillard
4/17/2008 8:18pm,
Unless they have changed the process you drop the ruck from the tether but the weapon case stays attached to you at the hip, you just untie it from the lower portion of your leg after you exit the plane for free motion if have to perform a left side PLF.

I still have the fond memory of jumping with a 2"x 4" in the weapons case and having to run off the drop zone with all the gear the 2"x 4" at the port arms all of us screaming "I got wood", man our first sergeant was a dick.

SFGOON
4/17/2008 11:06pm,
Sam is assuming that every stick lands on a hot zone - i.e. is occupied by enemies.

That is not the case. Those jumps are just the "insertion" potion of the mission. After the jump, the stick rallies up, takes a head count, makes preparations, THEN moves to contact.

"Pathfinders" are the arrogant assholes tasked to make sure the LZ isnt "hot." That would be a fucking disaster.

Pathfinders, (assholes) are highly trained parafuckers who usually jump in with a HAHO at night. They choose, prep and monitor the LZ for hours before the troops get dropped.

Wounded Ronin
4/18/2008 12:26am,
So what if the LZ ends up having enemies? How do the Pathfinders get away?

Yrkoon9
4/18/2008 12:40am,
Pathfinders aren't that high speed. They find a suitable LZ and determine the suitability for mission requirements. If there is enemy in the area they just leave. No ninja tactics. Just move to a more suitable area. There is always a plan B.

vigilus
4/18/2008 9:27am,
So what if the LZ ends up having enemies? How do the Pathfinders get away?
Don't listen to Yrkoon9. He's probably a pathfinder, their trained to downplay their role.
Pathfinders will eliminate LZ sentries with suppressed weapons or "sentry take down drills".




Canada

In the Canadian Forces Land Force Command (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Forces_Land_Force_Command), airborne pathfinders are an elite group of "quiet professionals" who - in addition to securing drop zones, gathering intelligence and delivering briefings to follow-on forces - also conduct operations ranging from ambushes and reconnaissance behind enemy lines to hostage rescue. They are regarded as Tier 2 Special Operations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Operations) forces.
The only way to qualify as a pathfinder in the Canadian Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Forces) is to successfully pass the Patrol Pathfinder course. It is designed to be the hardest course in the Canadian Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Forces), and only the most physically and mentally fit pass. Historically, pass rates are less than 25%.


The Canadian special forces unit JTF2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JTF2) employs pathfinders in a variety of roles. The Canadian Special Operations Regiment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Special_Operations_Regiment) also uses pathfinders.
The pathfinders of the Canadian Airborne Regiment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Airborne_Regiment) were some of the top soldiers in Canada.

I've probably said too much.... :jihad:

Colby
4/18/2008 10:40am,
My perspective is one of what an Army guy would call a "leg". I think I'd rather jump out of a plane than ever fast-rope again. Fast-roping blows! The bottom of the rope almost always looks like a turtle orgy at some point because you wear your ruck and sling your rifle. And, you sort of have to slide/jump on your ass to reach the rope... It was always a "high pucker factor" moment for me. I'd rather have just fallen out of a plane...

TM
4/18/2008 11:32am,
Great plan , but in the airborne you will be doing both.

Rock Ape
4/18/2008 11:41am,
Hey grant... let me say that British Pathfinders aren't what I'd call "quiet professionals" they're fucking gobshites. Although I couldn't pass the selection process so I guess my opinions counts for... zero ! ;p

Rock Ape
4/18/2008 11:55am,
Sam here's a few images although they don't show how or where the rifle is carried which for me was always on the left side.



http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg31/Simio_de_las_Rocas/check.jpg

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg31/Simio_de_las_Rocas/ftbragg.jpg

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg31/Simio_de_las_Rocas/Purplestar2.jpg

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg31/Simio_de_las_Rocas/Airborne23.jpg

Cassius
4/18/2008 11:57am,
In a combat jump your rucksack is tied to the front of your body, and your weapon is in a case on your left side. Before you land you release your gear and it drops to about 15 feet below you on a tether. Your gear hits the ground first then you do.

I dunno WTF kind of landing you can do with your gear still tied to you, as the previous poster said, but it would fucking hurt.Did they let your old ass go to jump school?

Yrkoon9
4/18/2008 9:48pm,
Yupyup. Airborne tanker, hoooooooo~

Rock Ape
4/19/2008 6:35am,
Sam, what prompted your question in the first place ?

smillard
4/19/2008 3:24pm,
probably saw "the longest day" with John Wayne and all his boys shooting the Nazis on the way down.

Between that and "Hogan's Heros", I really don't understand why we didn't win that war quicker.

Then again after watching Rambo, I don't know what really went wrong in Vietnam either.