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MBuzzy
2/18/2008 11:41am,
I figure this is a good place to bash on Americans for their Korean pronunciation. Now...I'm a round eye myself. And my Korean is nowhere NEAR perfect.....but I like to think that I try. I spent a year there and I can honestly say that I've heard people say Gamsahamnida with a southern accent.....it is sad really. Maybe it can't be helped, but there's just no attempt there. Even in Martial Arts schools....you heard stuff like Char Eee Yoot (yes, three separate words) and when you correct them, all you get is "Well that's how [insert name of some influential Korean here] says it." Which to me says "I need an excuse for being an idiot," "I can't hear," or "[insert name of some influential Korean here] never spent a day of his life in Korea and doesn't speak the language." At the very least, make an attempt and when someone corrects you, DON'T say "You're my junior, you can't correct me." And for god's sake.....don't tell someone who speaks the language or has lived there and something is or isn't done or said in Korea.




KOREANS DO NOT SAY "Annyeong HaShimnika" to EVERYONE THEY MEET.

Hex
2/18/2008 11:52am,
Hmm, okay.

This sounds like you've had some bad personal experiences.

Personally, I don't really see the point of using Korean words in an American school anyway.

FickleFingerOfFate
2/18/2008 11:54am,
Hmm, okay.

This sounds like you've had some bad personal experiences.

Personally, I don't really see the point of using Korean words in an American school anyway.



Maybe if my Korean is impeccable,

it makes my TKD extra d34dly!

MBuzzy
2/18/2008 11:56am,
Hmm, okay.

This sounds like you've had some bad personal experiences.

Personally, I don't really see the point of using Korean words in an American school anyway.

I can see both sides. One one hand, using the Korean is a way to respect the tradition and heritage of the art. On another side, a block is a block, whether you call it Mahk Kee or Block....its still a block. But if you're going to use the term, it should be used right. I respect the culture enough to make every effort to get it as close as I can.

My teacher in Korea actually used English for everything. I learned the Korean terms when I got back here and from books. He felt that it was disrespectful to the students to teach in Korean. To him, it was just a name. We opened and closed class in Korean....that was was nothing more than Kung ryet, and Sugo hashesumnida.

Hex
2/18/2008 12:00pm,
My teacher in Korea actually used English for everything. I learned the Korean terms when I got back here and from books. He felt that it was disrespectful to the students to teach in Korean. To him, it was just a name. We opened and closed class in Korean....that was was nothing more than Kung ryet, and Sugo hashesumnida.

I agree with your Korean teacher then.

That's the one thing that bothered me about Judo. Every technique I learned had some Japanese name that I would forget by the next class.

FickleFingerOfFate
2/18/2008 12:01pm,
I can see both sides. One one hand, using the Korean is a way to respect the tradition and heritage of the art. On another side, a block is a block, whether you call it Mahk Kee or Block....its still a block. But if you're going to use the term, it should be used right. I respect the culture enough to make every effort to get it as close as I can.

My teacher in Korea actually used English for everything. I learned the Korean terms when I got back here and from books. He felt that it was disrespectful to the students to teach in Korean. To him, it was just a name. We opened and closed class in Korean....that was was nothing more than Kung ryet, and Sugo hashesumnida.


Your teacher sounds like a reasonable individual,

what is your issue?


Be the bigger person, and let it slide,














or nitpick the point to death, and sound like a whiney bitch.

LThornton
2/18/2008 12:17pm,
We just had three members of a Korean family start with us. The mother doesn't even speak much English (though she speaks more English than I speak Korean). The two daughters are very bilingual.

Our Korean is bad. We know this. So we're working on learning better pronunciation from them as we go. The only problem is that one of them tries to use correcting us at length as a way to deflect actual work. Eh, I think she's too young for the class, anyway.

DerAuslander
2/18/2008 1:32pm,
In an international sport, everyone has to be on the same page regardless of ethnic origin. If you want terms in English, go learn boxing & wrestling.

DerAuslander
2/18/2008 1:48pm,
No, he's educated.

Americans who act like they know what they're talking aout but in reality have no clue are assholes.

Americans who insist that they only have to learn one language & that everything conforms to their culture of ignorance are assholes.

MBuzzy
2/18/2008 2:54pm,
And I think cab drivers and anyone that works in a chinese place are assholes. Live in our country learn to speak our fucking language. Go to Korea, at least ATTEMPT to speak their language.

If you're going to try to use the Korean language, do it right.

So I guess none of you ever get pissed off when you can't even order chinese because they never learned a word of english, huh? You're right, I'm the asshole.....trying to respect someone's culture and all.

DerAuslander
2/18/2008 2:56pm,
I respect everyone's culture & their alcohol.

DerAuslander
2/18/2008 2:56pm,
Except for the Dutch.

The Question
2/18/2008 3:03pm,
I figure this is a good place to bash on Americans for their Korean pronunciation. Now...I'm a round eye myself. And my Korean is nowhere NEAR perfect.....but I like to think that I try. I spent a year there and I can honestly say that I've heard people say Gamsahamnida with a southern accent.....it is sad really. Maybe it can't be helped, but there's just no attempt there. Even in Martial Arts schools....you heard stuff like Char Eee Yoot (yes, three separate words) and when you correct them, all you get is "Well that's how [insert name of some influential Korean here] says it." Which to me says "I need an excuse for being an idiot," "I can't hear," or "[insert name of some influential Korean here] never spent a day of his life in Korea and doesn't speak the language." At the very least, make an attempt and when someone corrects you, DON'T say "You're my junior, you can't correct me." And for god's sake.....don't tell someone who speaks the language or has lived there and something is or isn't done or said in Korea.




KOREANS DO NOT SAY "Annyeong HaShimnika" to EVERYONE THEY MEET.


I don't see that language has much to do with proficiency in martial arts. I personally got annoyed when we got bogged down with pronunciation of words and so forth. I mean, it's just not that important where learning Martial Arts is considered.

I was there to learn to fight, I was not concerned with pronunciation. However, if I did pronounce these words regularly, and someone who speaks that **** corrected me, I'd probably listen. But, it's whatever, man. I mean, not everyone is going to learn Korean because they practice Korean Martial Arts. I think you're being slightly unfair.

The Question
2/18/2008 3:05pm,
And I think cab drivers and anyone that works in a chinese place are assholes. Live in our country learn to speak our fucking language. Go to Korea, at least ATTEMPT to speak their language.

If you're going to try to use the Korean language, do it right.

So I guess none of you ever get pissed off when you can't even order chinese because they never learned a word of english, huh? You're right, I'm the asshole.....trying to respect someone's culture and all.

I wouldn't call you an asshole, dude. But you're holding everyone to unfair standards. Not everyone is able to go to Korea for a year to learn the language. It's good that you did it, but you must understand that some people have to go to graduate school and ****. ****, I was so diappointed.

DerAuslander
2/18/2008 4:10pm,
I never made any generalized statements about an entire nationality. I called certain segments of a nationality "assholes". Go up & re-read what I said.

You don't wanna have to speak a handful of Korean words?

Don't fucking learn a Korean art.

It's that simple.

You wanna continue sounding like an idiot?

Fine, just don't get all pissy when people who actually know something offer you a bit of knowledge.

It's not about being a know-it-all, it's about people justifying their ignorance.

That is Bullshido.

DerAuslander
2/18/2008 4:18pm,
Spin it? Re-read what I said.

Did I say all Americans? No. It'd be kinda dumb for me to generalize against myself. I said Americans who exhibit certain behaviors or viewpoints are assholes. Thus, I made a statement against a specific segment of the population, not the entire population.

That's not spin, that's logic.

Do I need to diagram the sentence so you can undersand it?

How about instead of accusing people of what you think they're saying, you actually construct a valid counterargument.