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datdamnmachine
2/09/2008 3:25pm,
I was curious if anyone on these boards have had any first hand contact with this weapon. I've have read previous posting about it and they all seem to be good. It's claims about being self lubricating as well as foul-up free (mostly, I'd have to actually see for myself to believe it 100%) seem to be true. Below is a link to the defensereview.com review of the weapon. Also below that is a link to the Gun-Weapons magazine article about it's big brother the P-308 (.308 Win). I have a hand gun, got me a shotgun, found the knives I was looking for, and now it's time for a good 16 inch rifle/carbine

http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1068

http://www.pof-usa.com/articles/GW_POF-USA_P308_%5B1%5D.pdf

Oh, and here's a picture, can't leave that out:

http://www.pof-usa.com/P-416/P-415-16-P9SX-CF-223-CARBINE(A)1.JPG

Yrkoon9
2/09/2008 5:53pm,
Only two problems are the price and getting parts.

datdamnmachine
2/09/2008 6:18pm,
Only two problems are the price and getting parts.

Yeah, that's been one of the issues I've been reading about. The price is a bit steep, especially since you could build a pretty good AR/M4 style rifle for for 1000-1500 bucks. Then again, if the thing is reliable as they say along with the self lubrication and extremely low carbon fouling, then I'll pay that premium and just sell the kidney to pay for spare parts.

Carpe Noctem
2/09/2008 7:28pm,
Mmmmm...gas piston goodness.

Sam Browning
2/09/2008 9:02pm,
Does that affect the amount of recoil after firing?

SFGOON
2/10/2008 12:10am,
Datamachine, if you live in Washington and you're military you need to go to Olyarms just outside of Olympia and have the custom make you an AR-15 to your specs at cost.

Just make sure you get it chambered for 5.56 and not .223

datdamnmachine
2/10/2008 3:19pm,
Datamachine, if you live in Washington and you're military you need to go to Olyarms just outside of Olympia and have the custom make you an AR-15 to your specs at cost.

Just make sure you get it chambered for 5.56 and not .223

Looks nice. Unfortunately, it seems like they don't have an gas piston models. I'll have to check more but it looks like the standard AR gas system. That's one of the things I'm trying to avoid. I remember the fun of spending all day after range day just cleaning and cleaning weapons. Plus I was the designated 249 man so that was even more fun...blah! I'm not in any more. This is mainly going to be a good practice/SHTF/Zombie carbine.

SFGOON
2/10/2008 5:44pm,
Yeah, but it's like 500 bucks, and if you served you sure as **** know how to clear a rifle quickly.

datdamnmachine
2/10/2008 10:43pm,
Yeah, but it's like 500 bucks, and if you served you sure as **** know how to clear a rifle quickly.

QFT - but would you pay 1500.00 more for one that doesn't (or at the very least, requires nothing short of a gremlin or leprechaun getting accidentally chambered)?

I guess that's the ultimate question.

SFGOON
2/11/2008 3:25am,
Noooo.... No way...

I'd be really weirded out if my rifle didn't jam...

Don't say **** like that. It's weird. It's creepy.

SpringHeeledJack
2/11/2008 8:29am,
I was the designated 249 man so that was even more fun...blah! carbine.I carried a 249 during MCT. I maybe fired 8 rounds during the field exercises. That goddamned thing would fire one shot then jam. I ended up giving all my ammo to the other guys in my fire team. When we would engage in any kind of fire fight with another platoon, I'd just make the noises with my mouth: *pow* *boom* *pop* *bddddurp* That was so fucking unsatisfying. I hate the 249

datdamnmachine
2/11/2008 1:04pm,
I carried a 249 during MCT. I maybe fired 8 rounds during the field exercises. That goddamned thing would fire one shot then jam. I ended up giving all my ammo to the other guys in my fire team. When we would engage in any kind of fire fight with another platoon, I'd just make the noises with my mouth: *pow* *boom* *pop* *bddddurp* That was so fucking unsatisfying. I hate the 249

Yeah, usually, the new guy gets it and eventually, another new guy comes onto the team and you get an M16. Well, when it was about time for the changeover to happen, I was switched to a new team and got the 249, then I go over to Korea and get the 249 over there. I'm like...fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!

Yeah, and don't try using a STANAG mag on there, like that's going to work. For the most part mine wouldn't jam as much but I think I was an exception to the rule. Matter of fact, I know I was. I learned early on how to clean that SOB real good. Of course, it would practically take me all day to clean the damn thing. Of course it did keep me out of the motor pool after range day. But then again, since I was going to be there all day, the NCO's would pass their weapons off to the 249 guys who were going to be there all day cleaning that damn thing. It's like, we are there all day because we are cleaning ONE weapon and now you are going to try and get us to clean MORE weapons? Plus, 249 guys still had to qualify with the M16 so not only did you have to clean your 249 and an M16, but now you have others passing the buck to clean their stuff. Plus, they aren't even close to being easily cleaned.

It's one of the reasons I'm looking into gas-piston carbines. Lower maintenance and higher reliability if I can find the right one. And the one I posted seems to require the lazy man's approach to cleaning for it's required upkeep. I mean "whipe it down with a towel"? We need to get this kind of stuff over to the middle east.

Colby
2/11/2008 2:19pm,
I hated carrying the SAW. Just like the 60, there is no way to comfortably carry one. There are worse things to carry though (SMAW come immediately to mind). It was bad enough being a Dragon gunner, but we still had to carry crew weapons like SAWs and 60'S as well. That put our hump loads to about 80-100 pounds depending on what you got. Don't get me started on cleaning weapons. I still have an assortment of toothbrushes and dental picks thanks to that.

At least we didn't get bent like the heavy guns platoon though. Ever see a MK-19 packed on a ruck? Thats what happens when the C.O. wants to get in shape to try out for Recon.

Anybody seen these? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhstuvzMiB0
They are supposed to be pretty forgiving if not cleaned thoroughly. All I know is...I want one! Full auto 12 Ga with hardly any recoil. There are supposed to be little grenade rounds for it too. For CQB, this thing looks pretty nice. It sure beats Rem 870's.

datdamnmachine
2/11/2008 5:30pm,
Damn, that's some scary **** right there. A shotgun to end all shotguns!

MK-19 on a ruck...unbelievable. There are just some weapon systems that are not meant to to be packed on a ruck and that's one of them. Damn company commanders!

SFGOON
2/11/2008 5:31pm,
At the SWCS we just dipped ALL our weapons, in and out of weapons recovery in 40 minutes. I was appalled when I got to Riley and was handed a cleaning kit.

The shotgun is okay - not really how a weapon like that is used though. You'd be better off loading that bitch with subminiature grenades.

datdamnmachine
2/11/2008 9:17pm,
At the SWCS we just dipped ALL our weapons, in and out of weapons recovery in 40 minutes. I was appalled when I got to Riley and was handed a cleaning kit.

The shotgun is okay - not really how a weapon like that is used though. You'd be better off loading that bitch with subminiature grenades.

That's what I was thinking, the shotgun part wasn't the scary thing, it was the fact that you could launch mini-grenades from it. The smallest auto-grenade launcher next to that (unless I've been out of the mil too long) is the aforementioned MK-19 and the other single shot stand alone model I believe. I don't think that one was auto.

I'm just assuming that by "dipped", you are talking about solvent?