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HippoKing
1/02/2008 9:02pm,
Hi Bullshido,
I'm taking this opportunity to introduce myself.
Ive been training in Tang Soo Do for about 10 years at a school called Kicks Karate in Maryland and am hopefully testing soon for my third dan.
I basicaly joined this forum because I was concerned that my school is a McDojo - has anyone had experience with it? The head instructor is Master John Bussard if that helps.
I also was wondering about MT/BJJ schools in my area. I was looking at Evolve or Yamasaki, but which one is better?
Thanks,
- HippoKing

TKDBot
1/02/2008 9:03pm,
Welcome aboard, HippoKing! The Bullshido staff would welcome you personally, but the thing is they’re busy keeping the peace, so they’ve apointed me, a bot, to pat you on the back and assure you that in no way will you be harmed during your stay here at BS.net. Your views on the martial arts, your philosphy, maybe even your entire reason for being will be challenged, shattered, reorganized, melted down, and forged into something new and shiny, but we swear it will only hurt a little bit… at first.

ka_ju_max
1/03/2008 11:15am,
Just look for classic signs of mcdojoism. Can all of your instuctor's ranks be verified? do you pay huge fees for training and testing? Are children given high BB ranks? Are you told that your school is"t4h d34dly"? Do you spar often and with contact (point fighting is a joke)?
Do your instuctors preach mystic paranormal bs (chi)? Just take a step back and look at your school objectively and remember that sometimes the truth is hard to swallow.

HippoKing
1/03/2008 10:41pm,
I have a confession to make - I AM a child (well really young adult) with a high black belt rank.
But now I've realized thats usually bad and have come to doubt whether I deserve the belt despite assurances from friends and family.
And yeah.... my school has a lot of those signs and I'm getting sick of them.
Not only do we only point spar but I've gotten in trouble with the teacher multiple times for hitting too hard or (sarcastic gasp) actually head kicking my partner without pads during a continuous counter drill when he had dropped his hands
As for frequency, its kinda odd but we'll alternate six months of mostly sparring with six months of mostly forms.
My school has several locations and I know that another location has an excellent teacher I used to train with who is a world champion kickboxer. Should I just move to a different location or quit the school altogether?

Drunken Bear
1/03/2008 10:51pm,
I always wonder about a 3rd dan with 10 years total experience. How does that happen? Hippo, how old were you when you started? When did you rec'v your first dan ranking? I've come to almost expect this from TKD but I always considered TSD to be a little different than TKD as far as the whole quantity over quality thing.

As far as moving it kind of depends on what you want out of MA.

patfromlogan
1/04/2008 12:42am,
Kick boxing is usually good.

coytheboy
1/04/2008 1:31am,
Just go and try bjj and muy thai for 2 monthes.

Jeffrey
1/04/2008 11:47am,
HippoKing,

If you suspect your school is a McDojo it almost surely is. Good for you having the foresight to figure this out.

If your school doesn't engage in serious sparring you probably are not being prepared to really fight. This is normal in McDojos, as bloody noses and crying children drive the $$$ away.

But here is the bright side: you're still young, probably in good shape (if you made 3rd dan you can't be a total wimp), so now if you switch to a real fighting school you'll have a huge head start over the fat middle aged people who are starting there.

You might want to start a thread looking for good fighting schools in MD. Quite a number of members of this site live around there.

HippoKing
1/04/2008 6:12pm,
I did it in the minimum time for second dan and I'm NOT a third dan yet, it might take another 8 months.

Unfortunately, I can't train at ANY school for a month because of a shoulder I somehow separated. I'll use the time to look for a school.

I know this sounds really n00by, but where do I post that thread? Should I just put it in newbietown?

asimpson2006
1/04/2008 6:53pm,
I did it in the minimum time for second dan and I'm NOT a third dan yet, it might take another 8 months.

Unfortunately, I can't train at ANY school for a month because of a shoulder I somehow separated. I'll use the time to look for a school.

I know this sounds really n00by, but where do I post that thread? Should I just put it in newbietown?
What you shoudl do is leave once you recover, then take some time off to refelect then when you feel your ready to study again, find a different school that you feel would work for you.

Frank White
1/04/2008 6:58pm,
Hippoking, the school I go to is actually pretty dang McDojo-ish, but the training is good, and better yet, the school is open from noon to 9 pm. I believe 'McDojo' applies to how the business is run, but if you aren't getting anything out of your training it isn't worth it.

Muay Thai is always a safe bet, as a good traditional school is hard to find these days, if actual fighting ability is what you are looking for.

gougeaway
1/04/2008 8:13pm,
don't feel bad, hippo. alot of martial artists start at the McDojo's or the McDojang's. I almost made the rank of 1st dan at a TKD school called Seong's. The affilations were all on par. But the McDojo concern about long contracts, and only point sparring, was more than evident, and I left before I obtained the rank. like switchblade said, muay thai is a safe bet, or BJJ for that matter. but if traditional arts are what you're looking for a first sign of a McDojo is when an instructer claims to be a master, in let's say, taekwondo, aikido, tai chi, etc. all things that are unrelated ( in a sense). if you find a school that's all about korean arts and claims that it teaches TKD, hapkido, yudo, kumdo, and calls the gym a dojang, that's an example of related martial arts, or if you have a more modern MMA taste then: muay thai, brazilian jiu-jitsu, sambo, wrestling, and boxing are good examples of related arts. also if you're going for the MMA way, it's good to have a school that seperate coaches for let's say boxing and muay thai and jiu-jitsu. It shows that they took time and effort to focus one one thing to teach you well. not bits and pieces from several things to teach you poorly.

colonelpong2
1/04/2008 9:11pm,
Kicks Karate.... hhhmm.. that does sound familiar. I didnt get anything on search about it, but my search fu is pretty hopeless.
I have a funny feeling they have been mentioned on Bullshido somewhere before? But I really dont remember in what context or where. Could be wrong.
Do they have a website?

Also, try out the MT and BJJ anyway. You will quickly find out if all of your training was sucky or not.

HippoKing
1/06/2008 12:15am,
www.kickskarate.com

I couldn't find anything either...

I'll probably write up a review soon.

I'm looking for a sport/MMA style rather than a TMA, I've done enough forms for a lifetime.

One thing I thought I should make clear is that I have no intention of becoming a professional martial artist. It's something I do because I enjoy it but not because I want to make a living from it. Will I be taken seriously at a MT/BJJ gym? I still want to compete in amateur competitions.

gougeaway
1/06/2008 1:08am,
there's plenty of local mma competitions that do amateur competition in the mid-atlantic. checkout www.wkausa.com your school well probably want you to do a few muay thai matches and bjj grappling tournaments before mma, though. tossing you into a cage and telling you to fight is like throwing you into the ocean and telling you not to sink and calling that a swimming lesson.

patfromlogan
1/06/2008 1:24am,
As for frequency, its kinda odd but we'll alternate six months of mostly sparring with six months of mostly forms.
My school has several locations and I know that another location has an excellent teacher I used to train with who is a world champion kickboxer. Should I just move to a different location or quit the school altogether?

In Wado's Honolulu bb instructor's class they'd do one week 1/2 hour sparring/sparring exercises and 2 1/2 hours kata, then the next week reverse it with 2 1/2 hours of sparring and sparring exercises. If they added ground instead of kata they'd be heaven.

But to the thread. Like I mentioned above, kickboxing is usually good. Be sure to check out the instructor's class that you mentioned that is a kickboxing champ. Muai Thai has no advantage over any other kickboxing style, just as BJJ has no particular advantage over any other submission wrestling schools. All the nut riders on this site repeat it like they are fucking Hare Krishna devotees... MT/BJJ...MT/BJJ...MT/BJJ...MT/BJJ...MT/BJJ...MT/BJJ...MT/BJJ...MT/BJJ... but they don't know ****. Sure MT/BJJJ is a good choice, but so is Kyokushin and Enshin Karate, Judo, Boxing, Shidokan, and various schools of all sorts of arts, trad and non-trad like Hawaiian Kempo and JKD and Dog Bro's and so forth - all have great schools out there. And anyway, the personality and skills and teaching ability of the instructor is often more important than whatever it is called. Good schools train hard and add resistance and realism as the student's skills grow, be it BJJ or Judo or Okinawan Karate.

The highest skilled staff here on site actually have high degree training in Kung Fu, Sambo, Kyokushin, BJJ, Boxing, and Japanese JJ. (By the way, is Anna MT or some other kickboxing?) Anyway, check out lots of schools. Asia and Omega, top mas on this site, both do Chinese arts (and cross train of course in all sorts of stuff) for example.

The attitudes that many here have against various styles is partly because so much out there IS Bullshido, but also partly the result of their lack of training in different arts. I go into lots of schools as a guest and usually there are people who can kick my ass, and in some places (KSDI HNL) most everyone can kick my ass.

Provincialism sucks. For example, one of the better martial artists I know has Wing Chung as his base art and cross trains with Jeremy Horn's Elite Performance gym in mma stuff and also does a lot of boxing. Martial arts for some of us are for the long haul. A friendly group with a teacher who doesn't have an ego problem goes a long way, specially if they can throw blows and tie you up on the ground - and who gives a **** what it's called?