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Kozma
11/24/2007 11:29pm,
With all the RBSD arguments and nonsense aside. Would taking up fencing, as in foil, epee, and sabre be the best way to learn "knife fighting" for the street. Is learning how to fight with the much longer weapons in fencing applicable to fighting with short folding knives like ones one would use in self defense? Of course on the off chance you get into a straight up knife fight.

I remember when I took some fencing classes and the instructor kicked my ass with a friggin pencil when I had a foil. She was a woman too. :pwned:

Tanhalen21
11/24/2007 11:32pm,
"Best way?" Probably. Effective enough for a real knife fight? Probably not.

bad credit
11/25/2007 12:40am,
No.

I recently returned to Fencing after 14 year hiatus. It was my original art I started in when I was 16. They keep trying to make me "forget" or "unlearn" what I've picked up from other arts. The olympic or collegiate rules are terrible. My second time sparring again, I went up against this tiny, fast teen girl who's one of the better students.

I block her weapon and push it out to the left with my right, then slide right up the blade and her arm into her neck just like I was taught in Kali. This happened repeatedly. Shots to the neck or arm don't count. I'm supposed to only make momentary contact with the other blade, not use it as a guide. She pokes me back everytime, and they tell me I lost in points.

This fat old heart patient bitch there starts talking a bunch of **** about how a teen girl beat a big cagefighter. I turned thirty shades of red and bit my tongue. I was shaking mad. I only have respect for ARMA style rules, the rest of this **** is worse than Kendo or SCA.

Kozma
11/25/2007 12:47am,
This is under foil rules right? Epee allows the entire body though right?

poidog
11/25/2007 2:52am,
With all the RBSD arguments and nonsense aside. Would taking up fencing, as in foil, epee, and sabre be the best way to learn "knife fighting" for the street. Is learning how to fight with the much longer weapons in fencing applicable to fighting with short folding knives like ones one would use in self defense? Of course on the off chance you get into a straight up knife fight.

I remember when I took some fencing classes and the instructor kicked my ass with a friggin pencil when I had a foil. She was a woman too. :pwned:Umm, no.

thorthe power
11/25/2007 9:27am,
I think fencing could help you with foot work, cardio, and maybe help you become accustomed to standing in front another person in a competitive/combative environment.

But I wouldn’t go with fencing if you want to learn knife fighting unless fencing is all that is available to you. If this isn’t the case I would try to learn a Philippine martial art like Kali, Arnis, or Escrima.


:XXknight: :XXknight:

selfcritical
11/25/2007 1:23pm,
Fencing will make you non-telegraphic and will give you a very, very good jab. In stickfighting contexts it will help beat-and-go type attacks. However, there are many habits you will have to unlearn for knife and stick fighting from fencing.

poidog
11/25/2007 3:26pm,
My beef with taking up fencing to learn "knife fighting" for the street, is much the same as bad credit's. The footwork is almost exclusively linear and the "jab" with a long blade (foil/epee/saber) does not translate well to a short blade (fighting folder). The lunge with a short blade, against someone with even the most basic lateral footwork, puts you in a horrible position. However, if the street where you live is plagued only by 2 gangs, the Jets and the Sharks, then fencing may be a good choice to learn knife fighting. Just watch out for the Pas de bourrée lateral followed by the Fouetté rond de jambe en tournant, the Jets and Sharks are tricky like that.

Aloha, Poi

Tyrsmann
11/25/2007 4:54pm,
I remember seeing some material a while ago about using a bowie knife like a saber.
But at the sametime, in the Bowie's heyday there were " dueling" bowies. So thats probably what that material was meant for. Not to mention the only western fencing arts around with a living lineage were meant for Dueling.

Dak
11/25/2007 9:41pm,
kali?escrima?arnis? all FMA in general?

mad_malk
11/26/2007 1:44am,
rember fencing weather it's foil epee or saber had rules. the rules where in place because it was a matter of honor. It's like asking if learning olympic style pistol shooting is an effective way to learn firearm self defence. diffrent rules diffrent situation. such as the need to draw the weapon and then deploy(ie. unfold a a folding knife, or remove a saftyon a firearm) and use it. yes there is some stuff that translates but not alot and it will build bad habbits that can get you injured or killed in a realife struggle.

NJM
11/26/2007 1:52am,
This is under foil rules right? Epee allows the entire body though right?

I know saber fencing does. The entire head and upper body is tagged with electric sensors if you use the scoring machines.

bad credit
11/26/2007 7:49am,
Yes, it was foil. Yes Epee allows full body, but only thrusts, no slashes. Saber is full body, any attack. The club I'm on hiatus from again has no desire to do saber, I asked. The SCA doesn't have a big enough suit of armor to fit me so I can try the heavy weapons stuff under their BS rules. I don't have the money right now or the proper goegraphical location to learn ARMA or Dog Brothers. Oh well, the BJJ place started a FMA class, I'll go check that out.

plasma
11/26/2007 12:50pm,
With all the RBSD arguments and nonsense aside. Would taking up fencing, as in foil, epee, and sabre be the best way to learn "knife fighting" for the street.

No taking up a Knife Art would be.

Basho
11/26/2007 1:14pm,
I fence epee and no, I don't think it will help as much as certain specialist arts. Mainly due to the lack of slash and contact with the edge of the blade. HOWEVER, the defense and the footwork is very valuable and your lunge will be a shock to anyone, whatever the blade.

Rhyos
11/26/2007 4:21pm,
Former saber fencer here.
For those curious about the fencing rules and such, here's a quick rundown. (very dirty.)
For Foil and Saber, there is a very important rule that makes things pretty ineffective. That's Right of Way. That's right, you need to take turns doing the poking and hitting. Great for teaching someone to get the hell out of the way after a botched attack, but a big hindrance on aggression, which can make or break a fight.
Foil: Point only, torso only.
Epee: Point only, entire body. Including feet. (lost many a point on that one.)
Saber: Any part of the blade, waist to head. :XXknight:

Fencing did a great deal for me when it came to knowing my distance and staying light on my feet, but as for the actual bladework, it taught me jack ****. Blocking with the edge is always a bad idea, going for a simple touch will not create sufficient force for real-world damage, and the structuring of it doesn't help with those weird-ass angles of attack or dealing with something that isn't directly in front of you. I'm not too big a fan of the SCA either. I'm just glad I've found a group that will get out there with live steel and minimal rules.