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Adon4Ever
10/25/2007 1:25am,
Okay, most of the people I take class/train with work hard while they're there. And they're a pretty decent bunch of folks. And I'm not trying to make myself out to be the perfect student, or the Champ of my gym. Or even my class. I'm sure I'm FAR from that LOL.

But there seem to be a few people that will often come in. But don't seem to be too interested in training. Or working at this stuff. For one thing, these guys will CONSISTENTLY come in late. Just late enough to miss rope-skipping (which is how we always warm up at the start of each class). I and most of the other people will make it on time, and will put forth the effort to do that part, AND the rest of the class. But the ones I'm ranting about... again, they often will CONSISTENTLY be late, and miss this part. It's not just once in a while.

Or what's even worse... they WILL be on time. But they will STILL skip this part. But they'll spend the time before class either showing off or LARPing around playing MMA fighter. It's just SOOOO cute. Play-acting and grab-assing and ****. They got plenty of energy to do that kinda stuff, but will pick-and-choose what parts of the workout they want to do. I've even seen these people actually stop DURING CLASS while exercises are going on. Not to rest, or because they're feeling fatigued. But to socialize. Or to show off to onlookers (especially if the onlookers are female).

Now, most of the people that are in class are just doing this stuff recreationally. And/or to keep in shape. And I understand that - that's how I was originally doing it. It's at the Open Workouts (between classes) that the more "hardcore" people and the competitors (or those training for competition, like me) will usually work out. And again, I'm not claiming to be the best student at my school. Or even in my class. But I at least TRY to keep working the whole time. I go to class to WORK. And I think most of the others do too.

I guess that's why I'm ranting. Lazy people like who I'm describing really piss me the **** off something fierce! I take it as an insult, quite frankly. I see it as an insult to people that are there to work. That are serious about studying this stuff. And don't get me wrong - I'm all for having fun doing this stuff. I wouldn't be there if it wasn't. But as long as the instructor is teaching, I believe that ALL students need to be serious, and listen to and follow directions. When lazy people like that are doing what they do... it gets in the way of those who ARE serious about learning.

Now, since I know you're gonna ask... I haven't spoken to the instructor about it. As annoying as this is... I don't feel it's my place to say anything. I trust that the instructor will handle it, in his own way. But again... it just really gets under my skin.

So... what does everyone else think? Am I justified to feel this way? Or am I making a mountain out of a molehill? Am I right in just "living with it", or should I say something? I mean, I certainly don't wanna be an asshole about it or anything. But I don't think anybody should be there if they aren't at LEAST semi-serious about training, and learning.

In any case, just wanted to get this off my chest. Thanks for reading. Rant over!


Josh

P.S. Incidentally, most of the ones I'm talking about are usually pimped out in TapouT and Sprawl gear. Fit the description of TUF Noobs to a T!

Ke?poFist
10/25/2007 1:30am,
I am that person. Go **** yourself :)

Lily
10/25/2007 1:55am,
Adon, maybe your instructor needs to tighten ship a little, some tips:

1. Don't start class till everyone is there, for each minute late the class starts the whole class gets punished with more skipping or something torturous. That's how we do it. That or our instructor just locks the door on the dot when class starts, stuff anyone who wants to come later (unless they've called prior to class with a good reason).

2. We also have a separate class for the not so committed, not so fit people and our instructor lets us beat them up once a weak just to show them where they're supposed to be and why they're not ready for our class (you get demoted to the 'just for giggles' group if you're late, if you put on weight, if you don't workout and maintain your fitness out side class). You get invited back by the instructor to the main group when you show you're committed.

At the end of the day, we're left with those who want to train and we have a blast doing it. I also find that the lazy ones are always lacking partners, we also ice them out socially as a message that its not acceptable to waste time, not give your energy to the class etc.

Also just chill out, its what you do on the mat that counts. Let them play at being MMA fighters in the showers or whatever, you can kick their asses to high heaven at training.

ergo
10/25/2007 2:03am,
I am that person. Go **** yourself :)
Why do you go to class if you just dick around?

Vince Tortelli
10/25/2007 2:08am,
This is a little off topic, but:

Am I the only person who is sick and tired of going to the gym and having to stand patiently by the weight benches, because they are all occupied by people who take thirty minutes to talk on their cell phones, flex for the girls on the treadmills, and grunt and make power lifter faces in between sets, and by set I mean they grab about a 20 pound dumbell, and do a total of 5 repetitions, and it takes me three hours to complete my workout because of having to wait on the dumbells and bars that the IDIOT squad is using, and I hope they all die horribly of Ebola virus, or possibly Marburg?

Ke?poFist
10/25/2007 2:08am,
Why do you go to class if you just dick around?

I like to stroke my own ego standing on the side of the mat, critiquing everyone who is actually rolling and training on the mat. All that other stuff...it makes me sweat, and that's icky.

wanabeshinobi
10/25/2007 2:08am,
Just late enough to miss rope-skipping (which is how we always warm up at the start of each class). Perhaps they are sicken tired of rope-skipping and want to do something else? I'm tired of doing shrimps, somersaults, ukemis and such, so I try to avoid classes where I know we'll be doing those things and head to classes where we warmup by boxing or wrestling.

And if I see someone just sitting on the corner and not practising, it's none of my damn business why they are there. Perhaps they have injuries, bad condition or they don't like the training methods. It's their call and their loss if they don't develope.

Ke?poFist
10/25/2007 2:09am,
This is a little off topic, but:

Am I the only person who is sick and tired of going to the gym and having to stand patiently by the weight benches, because they are all occupied by people who take thirty minutes to talk on their cell phones, flex for the girls on the treadmills, and grunt and make power lifter faces in between sets, and by set I mean they grab about a 20 pound dumbell, and do a total of 5 repetitions, and it takes me three hours to complete my workout because of having to wait on the dumbells and bars that the IDIOT squad is using, and I hope they all die horribly of Ebola virus, or possibly Marburg?

Gong Sau

Vince Tortelli
10/25/2007 2:15am,
Gong Sau

Mande? No hable, senor, como se dicie "Gong Sau" en Anglais?

FUNKtastic
10/25/2007 2:16am,
Judo class was always pretty laid back the owner of the dojo (he rents out space to different instructors) is really into Judo and the instructor teaches for free ( money goes to rent the space) so it's more like people who really want to be there. We could start a half an hour early and stay an hour late, you could come in on off days and train with a bunch of people from class including the gym owner who is testing for black belt. Those who aren't going to take it seriously usually drop out after a month or so.

In BJJ its always a much bigger class but there are huge differences even between a single stipe, if you don't come in or are late or don't take it seriously, you get raped in rolling time. Same goes for Judo, unless you are putting time in consistently and taking the lesson seriously you will get wake up calls every couple of minutes...I honestly just try to steer clear of the guys who don't seem to care much, if they ask me to partner up I don't baby them, usually makes them wake up if you make the holes in their game very obvious, I'm not saying tap em out 30 times a minute but if he goes for a half assed guardpass b/c he isn't focused, sweep and make him feel it so he wakes up!

edit: about the gym time, yeah this is exaclty why I stopped going to the Y, bunch of punks with tape up discussing sports, girls and who beat who up to the point that a decent workout owuld take me 3-4 hours.

Lily
10/25/2007 2:17am,
I like to stroke my own ego standing on the side of the mat, critiquing everyone who is actually rolling and training on the mat. All that other stuff...it makes me sweat, and that's icky.

Do you realise how gay that makes you sound? You stroke yourself and watch guys rolling around on the mat.

Vince - I have to agree with you plus what I've found is that guys are the worst culprits in gyms for talking, loitering around equipment so you can't use it and generally working out and talking to the ratio of 1:3.

I make sure I have two programs each time I hit the gym that won't waste me a single minute if the equipment i need for one workout is not available. Just be prepared and you won't have to waste time waiting for those half asses.

Adon4Ever
10/25/2007 2:21am,
2. We also have a separate class for the not so committed, not so fit people and our instructor lets us beat them up once a weak just to show them where they're supposed to be and why they're not ready for our class (you get demoted to the 'just for giggles' group if you're late, if you put on weight, if you don't workout and maintain your fitness out side class). You get invited back by the instructor to the main group when you show you're committed.

At the end of the day, we're left with those who want to train and we have a blast doing it. I also find that the lazy ones are always lacking partners, we also ice them out socially as a message that its not acceptable to waste time, not give your energy to the class etc.

Also just chill out, its what you do on the mat that counts. Let them play at being MMA fighters in the showers or whatever, you can kick their asses to high heaven at training.

Hmmm... I likey #2. I don't mind the "not so fit" people. I mean, I WAS one when I started, and again, I make no claims of being 100% fit and ready to go tear up the competition (I won't compete until both I and my instructor agree that I'm damn good and ready!). And I don't even mind the "not so committed" people, per se. Perhaps I should have elaborated on this in my OP: the classes, which I take on Mondays and Wednesdays, are geared more towards the recreational practitioner. And I keep on doing those. It's on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Fridays that we have "Open Workouts". It's there where you usually find the more "serious" people (and by serious, I mean actual fighters, and people that are interested in fighting competitively, like me). But not everyone can be equally 100% committed. That little thing called Life tends to get in the way. And **** happens - a corollary of my previous sentence LOL.

What annoys me, as I stated earlier, are the ones who are more blatant about being lazy. Who are CLEARLY just there to LARP and look 1337 and ****. If you were there... you would definitely see the difference that I'm talking about. It would be rather obvious to you (and I'd wager most anyone else on here).

Incidentally... the bunch that I'm talking about... I NEVER see at any of the open workouts. Although... even if I did, they're quite a bit smaller than me (I'm a Heavyweight). So my instructor probably wouldn't even let me spar with them (Dammit!). And sparring is only done at the open workouts - again it's there that the more serious practitioners/fighters show up. So I guess ass-kicking is out of the question. Oh well, I'm sure they're t00 d34d1y 4 sp4rr1ng anyway! :laughing9

Also, my instructor does run a tight ship at the open workouts. He WILL push your ass hard! He gives the students in class a good workout, but he knows that it's mainly for fun there. Although... even in class... he does push ME a little harder than the others. Will correct me a bit more and stuff. But hey, I'm actually GRATEFUL that he does so. It's because he knows that I'm there to work. And that I'm interested in competing someday. And I believe that you should worry more when somebody STOPS coaching you than when they do it more. I believe that a good coach keeps pushing you because (s)he KNOWS that you are capable of accomplishing it.

One more thing: I also agree with your statement about me chilling out. I was really just ranting about it, was all. It's an annoyance... but I'll get over it. I just keep training myself hard, and persevering. And working with people that are at least halfway serious about it too. I still love my gym and my chosen MA with all my heart. Couldn't see myself not doing it!


Josh

ergo
10/25/2007 3:27am,
For one thing, these guys will CONSISTENTLY come in late. Just late enough to miss rope-skipping (which is how we always warm up at the start of each class).
I really hate rope skipping, but I'm always on time. I'm the kind of person who doesn't want to embarass or draw attention to himself, so coming in late isn't really something I want to do (and there's really no reason to come in late anyway).


I've even seen these people actually stop DURING CLASS while exercises are going on. Not to rest, or because they're feeling fatigued. But to socialize. Or to show off to onlookers (especially if the onlookers are female).
How do they get away with it? I've never seen anyone do that in any of the MA schools I've been to. I don't know what would happen in MT if someone did that, but something would happen. Years ago, I went to drink some water during a MA class, and I had to do some pushups because I didn't ask for permission and the instructor didn't call for a water break. Since then I've never drank water without permission.

My attendance isn't as good as I would like, but I always train seriously. I don't understand the mindset of people who slack off... they're training voluntarily and paying money for it. It's not like they've been conscripted or something.

kiaiki
10/25/2007 3:58am,
This is a little off topic, but:

Am I the only person who is sick and tired of going to the gym and having to stand patiently by the weight benches, because they are all occupied by people who take thirty minutes to talk on their cell phones, flex for the girls on the treadmills, and grunt and make power lifter faces in between sets, and by set I mean they grab about a 20 pound dumbell, and do a total of 5 repetitions, and it takes me three hours to complete my workout because of having to wait on the dumbells and bars that the IDIOT squad is using, and I hope they all die horribly of Ebola virus, or possibly Marburg?

My pet hate too, on both free weights and machines. These guys go to a machine, sit there for ages doing **** all, then do 5 reps. as you say. Now the bit that really pisses me off is that they then go for the posey swagger around, expecting to come back to the same machine after ten minutes and carry on.


I ALWAYS deliberately cut through that and once they get up I immediately go and sit at the machine and do my sets, whether they have left their drink or walkman there or not.
( They're like dogs pissing to mark their territory - the cure is to piss all over their parade.)

Some of them just stare in that kind of 'how dare you get between me and my 30 inch biceps' kind of way, and most are actually so vain they can't believe anyone else is as important as they are and would dare to use 'their' machine.

If they comment I tell them to take it up with the gym staff or piss off and buy their own gym. Not one of the pussies has ever argued back.

The ones who use a bench or machine just to chat are usually no problem to shift, and I'm always polite.

To be racist in a positive way, I've never had that behaviour from a black guy or an older guy - it's inevitably young white males with 'issues' who spend their lives growing muscles simply with that as their objective. They don't seem to get the girls either. (Mind you, after the steroids, there wouldn't be much point if they did.)

The female equivalent comes in the form of hugely fat women who sit on cardio bikes and either read or chat for half an hour, then go and occupy the stretching area for an hour or so before hitting the Mars bars.

The cure is pretty simple:

Gyms often have a time limit on cardio equipment of, say, 15 minutes.
If there was a time limit of 5 minutes on weights at peak times, we'd all get home earlier.

attakmint
10/25/2007 4:35am,
I just ask to work in when I'm at the gym and somebody's using a piece of equipment I'd like to use. 99% of the time, as long as it's not a group of 4+ guys (seriously, limit it to 3 at most), I can use the machine/bench/whatever. Going to the gym at midnight seems to work well too.

Eddie Hardon
10/25/2007 7:22am,
1. JJ. We have a 1st Dan who always misses our Warm-Up. My Instructor does a Warm-Up but as I've done 12-15 years Circuit training, it's all familiar to me. However it's not appropriate for the 1st Dan to miss it as it sends the wrong message to the kyu grades and annoys us (his seniors) who do the Warm Up (even if I'm still feeling the effects of the previous nights JJ or similar training). Oh, yeah, he's French with other, er, problems.

2. Circuits have their poseurs too. I recall one knob saying (after class) that he could do another class. Only because he hadn't done the actual class with anything like the expected commitment and intensity. I was always an "eyeballs out" trainer.

3. As the Circuit class started to give way to a Machine Room, I realised that some of the doughnuts didn't know the Etiquette. They would take possession of the machine and when asked to step off to allow me, would bleat "I'm just doing 1 more set". It's just plain ignorance. I usually encourage them to do their last set after they've let me on the equipment by reminding them that while they're "Resting" I can make a start and then hand back. I've only had one spat and he was about 6ft 2ins and I'm 5ft 7ins. He gave way.

4. "Grunters". Unnecessary and Attention-Seeking. I recall waiting for the start of BodyPump class (I try most things and know a fair bit). I heard 2 blokes (instructors doing free time training) on the Leg Press (Full Body) making sounds like a Porpoise giving Birth (copyright "Scrubs"). After they vacated, I had a look and it was 180kgs; personally I do these in 3 sets of 10 reps with ease (I've short legs). I don't make a sound.

5. "Supplements". Never touch them. I've seen "Bitch Tits" - they looked like he had a Shelf across his chest along the nipple-line. It puzzled me at the time. You can also detect the incipient 'Roid Rage of some of them through their, er, noisy efforts.

6. Returning to the JJ, I remind talking students that they are here to train and can talk afterwards. I quote our Founder who would rebuke by saying: "You're here to train". They look at me like I'm quite Mad. What can you do???:angryfire

Cheers