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Tonuzaba
10/07/2007 9:02am,
Greetings,

I couldn't find a thread dealing with this topic (if there is one, you'll let me know anyhow) I had a debate with my wife about...

She thinks it is not good that our kids see me having rubber training knives, it's not good that I let them play with them several times...

She believes the kids (4 and 6 yrs old) are too young to understand the difference between a rubber and a real blade and are at risk of using a blade against somebody out of anger or even playfully, with possibly tragic consequences.

I think it's good to talk to them about the dangers of knives/blades (which we both do), but it is also good to show them that one can train carefully with rubber objects. I am in no way showing off infront of my kids, I've never done knife sparring infront of them. I do play with them using their TESCO foam swords though... ;-)

Any suggestions, ideas, results of your own home made debates?

Made me think of the gun-at-home-child-finds-shoots-somebody scenarios. Is there any statistics about whether or not the gunholder spoke with the kid about the dangers of the weapon, or did he/she just hide and lock away the gun, without explanation and curiosity caused the most damage?

My wife mentioned how crazy the husband of one of her colleagues is by showing his 3 yrs old son how to load a real pistol...

Nid
10/07/2007 9:04am,
Does she not recall what young boys played with 20+ years ago? Jesus.

Phoenix
10/07/2007 9:42am,
Greetings,

I couldn't find a thread dealing with this topic (if there is one, you'll let me know anyhow) I had a debate with my wife about...

She thinks it is not good that our kids see me having rubber training knives, it's not good that I let them play with them several times...

She believes the kids (4 and 6 yrs old) are too young to understand the difference between a rubber and a real blade and are at risk of using a blade against somebody out of anger or even playfully, with possibly tragic consequences.

I think it's good to talk to them about the dangers of knives/blades (which we both do), but it is also good to show them that one can train carefully with rubber objects. I am in no way showing off infront of my kids, I've never done knife sparring infront of them. I do play with them using their TESCO foam swords though... ;-)

Any suggestions, ideas, results of your own home made debates?

Made me think of the gun-at-home-child-finds-shoots-somebody scenarios. Is there any statistics about whether or not the gunholder spoke with the kid about the dangers of the weapon, or did he/she just hide and lock away the gun, without explanation and curiosity caused the most damage?

My wife mentioned how crazy the husband of one of her colleagues is by showing his 3 yrs old son how to load a real pistol...


As long as you teach your kids to treat the training blades as though they were real blades, I don't see the problem at all.

Actually, if properly done, that age group is perfect to teach kids about weapons and safety because they haven't seen or learned differently yet. It's about making a first impression.

vigilus
10/07/2007 12:15pm,
Better than letting your kids play with dolls!

Just kidding Lebell, nothing wrong with that....

bushi_no_ki
10/07/2007 2:32pm,
You definitely want to ingrain weapons safety with your children at an early age. Everything I've ever seen from various gun rights/shooting clubs has shown that children who are taught about weapons safety are far less likely to accidentally injure or kill someone.

ysc87
10/07/2007 7:30pm,
You definitely want to ingrain weapons safety with your children at an early age. Everything I've ever seen from various gun rights/shooting clubs has shown that children who are taught about weapons safety are far less likely to accidentally injure or kill someone.


I completely agree, but I would still wait until the children have the mental and physical capability to handle one. I personally think gun owners anxious to get their boys shooting early should wait until around age 10, at the very least. I mean, that's not a solid number, because kids mature at different rates, but you understand what I mean.

Phoenix
10/09/2007 1:33am,
I completely agree, but I would still wait until the children have the mental and physical capability to handle one. I personally think gun owners anxious to get their boys shooting early should wait until around age 10, at the very least. I mean, that's not a solid number, because kids mature at different rates, but you understand what I mean.

I understand your logic. But there are far too many cases in North America about children far younger than the age of 10 being involved in firearms mishaps because they weren't educated properly about firearms.

In most of these cases, the firearm was stored improperly with the parent assuming that the child wouldn't find it. Unfortunately, the child does find it, and not being properly taught, if at all, about firearms safety (and I'm referring to the 4 basic firearms safety laws), well.....I guess I don't have to write about it.

I learned about firearms safety when I was 5. Maybe that was too young, maybe it wasn't. But I can tell you that the biggest lesson I learned, that being that firearms are dangerous if misused, has stayed with me throughout my life.

I think the real problem is that too many parents let the damn television babysit and teach their kids. If a kid finds a gun in a drawer, or in some other inappropriate place, and he wasn't taught about firearms safety, he's more likely going to emulate what he sees on the TV.

Of course, that's just my two cents.

ysc87
10/09/2007 1:42am,
I have an idea-
Leave your gun out in the open, with a blank round chambered in it.
Wait until your kid sees it, and walks over to it.
"Timmy, Stop!" Run over to him. "You could get yourself hurt touching that thing. Remember when daddy said that you need to respect the gun..."
*fumble around with gun, pull trigger while facing away from his side.*
BLAM!
"AHHHHHHH,AHHHHHHH,AHHHHHH!!!!! OH MY GOD!!! AHHHH.... Ah, just kidding. But now you see what can happen when you play with daddy's toys without being careful."

Oh course, your kid will hate you from that point on, but what the hell- he now knows safety when handling firearms.

Phoenix
10/09/2007 1:44am,
I have an idea-
Leave your gun out in the open, with a blank round chambered in it.
Wait until your kid sees it, and walks over to it.
"Timmy, Stop!" Run over to him. "You could get yourself hurt touching that thing. Remember when daddy said that you need to respect the gun..."
*fumble around with gun, pull trigger while facing away from his side.*
BLAM!
"AHHHHHHH,AHHHHHHH,AHHHHHH!!!!! OH MY GOD!!! AHHHH.... Ah, just kidding. But now you see what can happen when you play with daddy's toys without being careful."

Oh course, your kid will hate you from that point on, but what the hell- he now knows safety when handling firearms.


Hmm....well, that's certainly thinking outside the box....lol.

Tonuzaba
10/09/2007 4:48am,
...I think the real problem is that too many parents let the damn television babysit and teach their kids. If a kid finds a gun in a drawer, or in some other inappropriate place, and he wasn't taught about firearms safety, he's more likely going to emulate what he sees on the TV.

Of course, that's just my two cents. Gotta hate all that g*ddamn **** they air on childrens channels as "cartoons" and "fairytales" - it's just a bunch of animated Apocalypse now, yelling, fighting, shooting, stabbing... Dying...

Maybe even kids that ARE taught about the danger of blades and/or weapons can react in a stressful situation according to what they've seen so many times done so easily and succesfully... "He made me angry, I gotta punish him. With the weapon..."

Just thinking aloud...

Chili Pepper
10/09/2007 1:02pm,
She believes the kids (4 and 6 yrs old) are too young to understand the difference between a rubber and a real blade and are at risk of using a blade against somebody out of anger or even playfully, with possibly tragic consequences.

I have two boys, and I teach out of my home. When they were very little, the rule was that they weren't allowed to handle any metal weapon - worked pretty well as a rule, and they wouldn't even touch the aluminum training blades. Rattan canes, padded sticks, wooden knives, they used 'em all, and no fatalities.

Give them sensible limits, and supervised access to remove the mystery.

Phoenix
10/09/2007 1:38pm,
Maybe even kids that ARE taught about the danger of blades and/or weapons can react in a stressful situation according to what they've seen so many times done so easily and succesfully... "He made me angry, I gotta punish him. With the weapon..."

There's no maybe about it. If a kid is taught to RESPECT a blade or weapon in a proper manner, there is a far less likelihood of anything going awry. I'm not saying that it COULDN'T happen, but it's far less likely.

Still think I'm wrong? Maybe you might wanna read some stuff by Lt. Col. (ret) Dave Grossman. You might find some of his work, particularly his books 'On Combat', 'On Killing', and 'Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill', very enlightening.