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ojgsxr6
9/01/2007 6:39pm,
Yrkoon once got someone in a standing gi choke in Judo. Does anyone know the name of the choke or have the thread where he posted it?

Ke?poFist
9/01/2007 11:55pm,
Yrkoon once got someone in a standing gi choke in Judo. Does anyone know the name of the choke or have the thread where he posted it?

Could have been a modified standing arm triangle utilizing the gi.

Omega Supreme
9/02/2007 12:01am,
Yrkoon once got someone in a standing gi choke in Judo. Does anyone know the name of the choke or have the thread where he posted it?

I know two, would you mind elaborating anymore than this?

ojgsxr6
9/02/2007 1:11am,
From what I remember of the description, Yrkoon said he was baiting him with the uchi mata.

I don't know if that meant he wanted the other guy to go for the uchi mata so he would turn into the choke or defend against Yrkoon's uchi mata leaving himself open for the choke.

His post had a picture of the guy out cold on the floor, with Yrkoon with his hands up.

WorldWarCheese
9/02/2007 2:25am,
In Judo Shiai rules (or at least USJA East Coast ones) the Judges stop any standing choke attempts unless the fight is also brought to the mat at the same time or within a couple seconds of starting the choke. It ties in with the match being brought to the feet if one guy can get his hands and knees off the ground rule.

I asked my old sensei once about choking a guy out with Gyakyu Jime and he said "Then you'd have to throw him right fast and keep the choke on while you do it" so I played a little with having it open into a sort of modified Morote Seoi Nage but it never really worked out and felt dangerous to be trying at my level.

ojgsxr6
9/02/2007 3:48am,
Ok, I found a thread where is was mentioned with picture. But not the description of the technique. With my noobiness, I can't tell what technique is being used to choke the guy. From the pictures it does look like it was Yrkoon going for the uchi mata.

So here's the thread with pics:
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=25649&highlight=judo

Omega Supreme
9/02/2007 12:55pm,
Ok, I found a thread where is was mentioned with picture. But not the description of the technique. With my noobiness, I can't tell what technique is being used to choke the guy. From the pictures it does look like it was Yrkoon going for the uchi mata.

So here's the thread with pics:
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=25649&highlight=judo

Um.....no I have no idea what he did there. Why don't you PM him and ask?

ojgsxr6
9/02/2007 2:30pm,
According to the post in his training log he said it was a X Choke (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showpost.php?p=671926&postcount=127).

WorldWarCheese
9/02/2007 2:40pm,
Then if could have been Name or Gyakyu Jime because that's what we also call them in class sometimes. (If dumbasses like me can't seem to remember their Japanese)

pauli
9/02/2007 5:17pm,
[QUOTE=KempoFist]Could have been a modified standing arm triangle utilizing the gi.
In Judo Shiai rules (or at least USJA East Coast ones) the Judges stop any standing choke attempts unless the fight is also brought to the mat at the same time or within a couple seconds of starting the choke.
i've now got this vision in my head of arm triangling one's opponent, and then completely spazzing out hoping he'll fall over.

i'm going to have to try this.

Roidie McDouchebag
9/02/2007 6:01pm,
If you can get a standing armtriangle and CANNOT get a takedown from it, you fail at grappling. Miserably.

Yrkoon9
9/11/2007 11:45am,
Okies. I will explain this choke. I use it all the time. It is a simple half cross choke. Nothing particularly special. Like most techniques the trick is in the set up. The pictures from my training log are from the Dallas International Judo circa 1995-96.

First of all I am a hip throw guy. I use O Goshi, Harai O Goshi, and Uchimata. I throw a lot of guys like this. I have a few grips I like. Most Judoka know when they are getting set up for one of the SIMPLE throws. Doesn't mean they can stop them - but it definately focuses their attention. THAT IS THE SET UP! They think they are going to be thrown.

Now on to the technique:

First you need to get a high grip. Thumb on the back collar. Right at the spine. Grip hard and shake thier ass around making them worry about the Uchi Mata. In my case I use my RIGHT HAND.

Next I place my LEFT HAND on thier LEFT collar. Deep. Really deep.

There is no choke. You simply have double control. Some Judo referees will penalize you if you keep this grip very long. Luckily you won't have to.

KEY STEP: My right arm swings OVER thier head while keeping the high grip (palm down still). The left hand is on thier opposite collar and you are in position for a great X choke.

Now most people don't really mind the X choke nowadays. They think they can run around and pass your guard or whatever in the time it takes to choke. Honestly X chokes are white belt moves, right? You can nut up and flex your neck for a few seconds and resist long enough to escape.

WRONG. That right arm swinging over the head and immediately being thrust back into the neck is real powerful. You will be suprised.

This guy thought he could get break the grip easily. But I pulled him in real tight for the choke. He then thinks he can get a quick leg grab takedown. Negative. Too late. He tries to break the grip again. Probably should have tapped instead. This was kinda funny.

This technique set up can be used in the guard, standing, sitting. Wherever. Be creative.

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9770/grabbedframe18dsyo7.png (http://imageshack.us)
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8079/grabbedframe20snne2.png (http://imageshack.us)
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4350/grabbedframe47sblf3.png (http://imageshack.us)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/940/grabbedframe63ixil6.png (http://imageshack.us)

Tom .C
9/11/2007 12:40pm,
Very nicely done. Thanks for the explanation. I think I will play around with that tonight.

ojgsxr6
9/11/2007 1:25pm,
Quick question, before you bring your right arm over their head are both your arms on their left side?

WorldWarCheese
9/11/2007 3:42pm,
Oooooooohhhh. NICE! Major props, I like the choke and use it in Newaza but standing is just freaking awsome. Will play around at open session next class. Danke-shen.

Yrkoon9
9/11/2007 5:01pm,
Quick question, before you bring your right arm over their head are both your arms on their left side?

Yes.

I was thinking about my explanation after I posted. The right hand is gripping behind the collar, but your forearm is basically smashing into the left side of thier head. This is how many people set thier Uchimata. People usually try to disengage thier right arm furiously because once you get control of that arm you usually send them over the top with the throw. So as they yank thier arm back thier left lapel is close and exposed. Your left arm goes across the body to grip thier left side lapel really deep. When you loop that right arm over thier head you have to be moving. I usually push/pull and angle off to the side just like I would be doing for the Uchimata.

BTW this technique usually only works ONCE on the person you are doing it to. They get wise real quick. Mainly from the humiliation factor. Having to tap out or pass out while standing is humbling.