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DdlR
8/02/2007 5:03pm,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUZ4-2uXvro

Demo. footage of a system of self defense designed for paraplegic people. The topic of "self defense in a wheelchair" has come up here a few times over the past couple of years, but I don't think we've seen videos detailing a realistic approach to the subject. Apparently the defender in this clip is a 42 year old T4-5 paraplegic.

PizDoff
8/02/2007 5:19pm,
Very interesting. This wasn't some slow-mo compliant cresent kick type defense. It looked quite useful. I also watched some other of his vids, climbing stairs, etc.
Far better looking than those ninja, karate or TKD wheelchair black belts.

Teh El Macho
8/02/2007 5:45pm,
+rep for finding and posting this clip.

ysc87
8/02/2007 6:07pm,
I was expecting something funny, but this is pretty interesting.


Far better looking than those ninja, karate or TKD wheelchair black belts.
agreed.

aaaargh
8/02/2007 8:17pm,
This video looked totally compliant to me, especially the kick defenses. Maybe this is inherent in trying to develop a defense for someone who is at such a huge disadvantage; or maybe this is just a drill.

I agree, however, that the speed was fast and the responses were reasonable, not just "punch the groin" stuff. Hopefully he also trains them alive. I don't see any reason he couldn't randori against an opponent from the knees, or coming in unscripted with one of these attacks.

ysc87
8/02/2007 8:36pm,
Read the disclaimer in the first few seconds of the clip-- It was just a fast-paced demo.

DdlR
8/02/2007 9:22pm,
I had a student who was in a wheelchair a loooong time back. We rigged he chair so the handles came out and became basic PR-24s/Tonfas. It was really very fun to teach him. Not only that, but the dude had crazy strong forearms from pushing the chair all day. So we did some basic grip work and standing locks/manipulations.

Me too; almost exactly the same situation, back around 1985. My student had huge hand/forearm strength but no movement below the mid-abdomen, so we had to modify a lot of techniques; anything that required him to move forward beyond a certain point would just cause him to collapse into his own lap. We worked mostly on boxing-style defense leading into jujitsu head and neck twists and some nasty **** once he had control of the other guy's head.

I also had a private student, a kid whose only body control was in his left wrist. He had an automatic wheelchair and he could control it with a joystick; I put on baseball leg shields and he had a great time running me down with the chair.

Roidie McDouchebag
8/02/2007 9:39pm,
Not bad, but I still like my underwheelchair IED/flamethrower idea better.

Eldarbong
8/02/2007 11:11pm,
This thread needs Bill Auvenshire. He could give a good critique of these techniques.

The_Tao
8/02/2007 11:21pm,
This thread needs Bill Auvenshire. He could give a good critique of these techniques.

this thread needs Steven Hawking

bobyclumsyninja
8/02/2007 11:24pm,
:karated: I think great big stupid huge cans of mace, and some kind of heavy baton would make more sense...but if there's no time...I guess this would be better than getting stomped and mugged.

what about indian burns? that's a forearms thing?:icon_scra

rw4th
8/02/2007 11:28pm,
My mom's in a wheel chair and they had some dude come and teach self-defense to her support group. It was bullshit there, and this clip is bullshit. In everyone of those the "attacker" could of easily continued the attack and outmaneuvered the guy in the chair once on the ground since he can use his legs to move around.

If you're in a chair the only viable defense you have is some kind of weapon with range (gun, pepper spray, etc). Reality sucks, but this kind of **** is just giving someone a false sense of security.

HappyOldGuy
8/02/2007 11:51pm,
My mom's in a wheel chair and they had some dude come and teach self-defense to her support group. It was bullshit there, and this clip is bullshit. In everyone of those the "attacker" could of easily continued the attack and outmaneuvered the guy in the chair once on the ground since he can use his legs to move around.

If you're in a chair the only viable defense you have is some kind of weapon with range (gun, pepper spray, etc). Reality sucks, but this kind of **** is just giving someone a false sense of security.

Noone I know in a chair thinks they are a badass. Even the athletes know that 9/10's of the world can kick their ass. It's doing the best you can do with what you've got. Being in a chair means being a target. Most people I know in chairs have been mugged multiple times. And you would think that just being able to walk up and grab someones wallet would be enough, but I know a bunch of people who have had that happen, and then the fucker felt the need to kick the **** out of them afterwards, just because. So anything is better than nothing.

Roidie McDouchebag
8/03/2007 12:18am,
This thread needs Bill Auvenshire. He could give a good critique of these techniques.

He SHOULD come back, so I can run him off again. Fucking cripple.


If you're in a chair the only viable defense you have is some kind of weapon with range (gun, pepper spray, etc). Reality sucks, but this kind of **** is just giving someone a false sense of security.

I think the idea behind the techniques in the video is that the attacker probably expects no resistance, a poor assumption, but it might work sometimes.

rw4th
8/03/2007 12:27am,
So anything is better than nothing.

No, it's not. A false sense of security after practicing this **** leaves you worse off then you were before. I almost had to kick my mom's ass to bring her back to reality after her "handicapped self defense" class.

HappyOldGuy
8/03/2007 12:28am,
No, it's not. A false sense of security after practicing this **** leaves you worse off then you were before. I almost had to kick my mom's ass to bring her back to reality after her "handicapped self defense" class.

What exactly is it you think she was gonna do? Start a bar fight?